Let's face the facts, Marciano was a Cruiserweight

perhaps not 190 but fighters in the lower weights can maintain a bestfighting weight throughout a career. i dont see why 20lb within lowest career weight cant be a maximum weight gain over a career.

 

Wlad at 20 was 220-226 lbs.
Ali at 20 was around 195-199 lbs.

13 years later Wlad was 20-14 lbs heavier.
Ali 25-30 lbs heavier 13 years later.

At 10 years later their weight gain is about equal.

Wlad doesn't go beyond 250 and he's only getting heavier because as you get older staying low is harder without destroying your muscles.

So yea, I still think heavyweight then wouldn't fight at much higher weights today.

 

I met Tyson in 1991 and 1998, not in retirement. Same impression both times, thick as a house, like two guys fit into one suit. Supposedly he was already 200 pounds at 14. Yes, I know he was 199 in the Oly Trials at 17. There was no way in hell he was ever getting down to 190. His best performances, some of the most emphatic performances by a heavyweight ever, were done in the 215-218 range.

 

Tyson was already 190 at over 15 years old, You can bet Tua was close to that weight then too.

 

this whole super heavyweight idea is suspect..honestly only been 4 guys who were worth **** who weighted 240 or more in the modern area. Most of the good guys have been 220 or under....


is it impossible to imagine a 190 pounder beating a 220 pounder?

 

I think Holyfield and Dempsey have the best chance beating him at cruiser

 

no one beats Marciano under 200lbs IMO and there are only a few of the guys that have a chance over 200, Dempsey and Evander are the toughest matches under 200 but IMO they lose to Marciano...Joe Louis, Lewis,Klitschko's, Ali, Foreman,Tyson all have a shot to win over Marciano but even that is not written in stone, they could all lose to him in fact I may bet on Marciano depending on the circumstances...Marciano for me has the style and pressure to beat Larry Holmes in a good battle and a very good shot to beat Ali, Frazier fight would be a war but I like Marciano with 2 hands

 

No.. just no.. Not only did Marciano face the FAR better competition and have the far and I mean FAR better resume... he would destroy Jack.. and it wouldn't take very long. You can go on and on about what this writer said or that writer said... what it comes down to is DEMPSEY NEVER PROVED SUCH A LOFTY STATUS IN THE RING. He was simply a product of the time and came along at the IDEAL time. The roaring twenties were just that.. ROARING. For all the hyperbole on dempsey.. I'll take the plain facts here.. Marciano would crush dempsey and crushes him in an all time sense as well

 

:good This is exactly right. jab and grab superheavyweights fall into two groups : giants and built up guys. It is not a natural division and its more about out-sizing the competition than challenging the opposition with a skillset on an equal basis. sumo springs to mind.

 

Marciano was heavier when he was trying to become a baseball player before he turned to boxing...

 

And just as VEHEMENTLY I say I am on better grounds than you K,as I am with the vast majority of pollsters, writers, and ex-boxers who saw both Dempsey and Marciano,and chose Dempsey to beat Rocky...Think about what you wrote," Dempsey was famous not for his vaunted powers , but because of the roaring twenties ".So by your thinking [WRONG}, we throw out a Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Mickey Walker, Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jack Dillon, Johnny Dundee, Freddie Welsh,
Johnny Kilbane, Kid Norfolk, Tiger Flowers, Jack Britton etc, all who also fought in the "roaring twenties " alongst Jack Dempsey...Is that what you want, an asterik on the fighters who fought in the 1920s, most who had hundreds of bouts in those tough times ?...One more thing...Of all the boxing sites i've seen, ESB has the most Dempsey critics by far..I know not why.?

 

Yes, marciano was a bigger man comming down. rocky came down to the smaller end of what still is the great classic sized heavyweight 190-210. a cruiserweight is the weight a fighter grows into. it is a half way house by definition. if you throw marciano into a cruiser weight limbo then put all the other great heavyweight champions who ever scaled less than 200lb including evander holyfeild, joe louis, muhammad ali, joe frazier, larry holmes, jack dempsey, jack johnson.

 

Seems simple to me.

180-200=cruiser
200-220=heavy
220+ = super heavy

 

Let's look at the facts shall we buddy

1. Marciano faced better opposition than Dempsey correct?
2. Marciano beat better opposition than Demspey correct?

So resume wise and who ACTUALLY accomplished more.. even you would say Marciano did. Which is the point here. Marciano proved more by doing so.. and going be the PLAIN FACTS of who they fought (feats if you will) Marciano has him beat.

Now, what you want us to do, is extrapolate what Dempsey COULD'VE done NOT what he ACTUALLY did. This is why you go on and on about what this writer said or that writer said.. BUT HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY BEAT ANY.. NOT ONE.. ALL TIME GREAT HW FIGHTER. His resume isn't stellar by any means. All you have is.. well they saw him in action and what he could do.. and although he didn't fight the best or beat the best.. he could've if given the chance. That is fine to believe, but make no mistake, that takes a leap of faith.. With Rocky, there needs to be no leap of faith as he has the facts backing up the stance. In other words, if this was a trial.. I'm presenting DNA evidence.. you're presenting circumstancial evidence.. fair enough?