Let's fast forward five years, and unpack the drama that is to be the 2023 IBHOF ballot...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Jan 23, 2018.


There can be only three.

Poll closed Dec 28, 2022.
  1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Wladimir Klitschko in, Andre Ward in. (Cotto & Ioka out)

    62.0%
  2. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Miguel Cotto in, Andre Ward in. (Klitschko & Ioka out)

    2.8%
  3. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Wladimir Klitschko in, Miguel Cotto in. (Ward & Ioka out)

    31.0%
  4. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Wladimir Klitschko in, Kazuto Ioka in. (Cotto & Ward out)

    1.4%
  5. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Kazuto Ioka in, Andre Ward in. (Klitschko & Cotto out)

    1.4%
  6. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in, Miguel Cotto in, Kazuto Ioka in. (Klitschko & Ward out)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Wladimir Klitschko in, Andre Ward in, Miguel Cotto in. (Mayweather & Ioka out)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Wladimir Klitschko in, Andre Ward in, Kazuto Ioka in. (Mayweather & Cotto out)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Andre Ward in, Miguel Cotto in, Kazuto Ioka in. (Klitschko & Mayweather out)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Miguel Cotto in, Wladimir Klitschko in, Kazuto Ioka in (Mayweather & Ward out)

    1.4%
  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well Manny Pacquiao does have by far the most unbelievable career of the last 30 years. Did I just call him the best fighter of that time? No I did not. But consider his circumstances, his opposition and the Flyweight to Welterweight titles. There is nobody that has even come close to matching the totality of his career. He's so far out in front of everybody when you actually sit down and analyze this stuff. Now some may **** on him H2H, fine go ahead, I'll disagree with them.
     
  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Toney was more naturally gifted and has the better resume (the pair in 2003 alone trumping any two victories of Ward's...and throw in Nunn and going 2-0-1 vs. McCallum...)

    Ward did have better discipline, and more consistent form as Toney, while he does technically have a KO3 win over Rahman and UD12 win over Ruíz missing from his record, also got a robbery or two swing his way.

    As far as skill (as in craft, not raw athletic talent) I'd call it a wash, although one might be tempted to say Ward because he did more with less.
     
  3. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Well if SOG is coming back he makes this process easier IMO
    It is pure EVIL to make it a pick only 3:BangHead:
     
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  4. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As always you are a compete imbecile. But, you probably know that already.
     
  5. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Right so who you replacing with the SOG pick, I went with Ioka
     
  6. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I would say 55/45 in favor of the big flavor James Tony
    Dude was a monster but he and Ward were 50/5o in taking the hope and confidence from most if NOT all opposition
     
  7. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Klistchko and Mayweather turned pro when Bill Clinton was president, elect them under "Old Timers" and Ward under "non-participant" problem solved.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  9. tinman

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    I don't rate Cotto all that high, he's not an ATG, but it's not unreasonable to put him in over Wlad K. It's already established that Wlad was blasted out by Sanders and Brewster easily and early. And at almost 30 years old during those losses there is no excuse for that, at all. None.

    Wlad K then reigned over a poor division and had one win that really matters historically which was his victory over Povetkin. And even that isn't all that special.

    Cotto lost most of his big fights, but he still took them on. That has to count for something. He's won titles from JWW to MW.

    And I have no reason to believe that he could not have reigned at 140 pounds if he wanted to if he had avoided Mayweather and Pacquiao, both of whom had short stints at 140. I think he would have beaten Hatton. He could have just played it safe and established a long reign at 140 pounds.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    With 17 weight classes and 4 or 5 titles per class these long reigns are so overrated. For whatever reason boxing fans and media have a raging boner for long title reigns. And I'm just sitting here thinking, calm down for a second gentleman. This isn't like the old days with 8 world champions on the entire planet. Where even in a relatively weak weight class being the champion was something. There just weren't many belts to go around. And scarcity raised demand and prestige. People wanted them because with just 8 of them they were worth something.

    Now you can just sit on a WBO title for a half decade and now everybody starts pumping you up as the next Ray Leonard. Get the **** out of here with that garbage...
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  12. Farmboxer

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    I am not psychic..................
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The idea is that - with Mayweather, like it or not (I'm guessing not in your case :lol:) getting in first ballot, no doubt about it, while Wlad also seems like a sure thing...with the only REAL sure thing besides Mayweather being Toney if he doesn't screw up his eligibility by fighting again - there is a potential for a #3 spot to be fought out between Ward vs. Cotto vs. Ioka vs. maybe Wlad (again, he only ends up potentially on the bubble if Toney is ballot-eligible by having not fought after Sheppard in 2017).

    Of those 4, surely you'd go for Wlad, yes? So let's say for the sake of argument Toney fights this year, making him ineligible for 2023. Floyd gets in, Wlad gets in - but how about between Ward, Cotto and Ioka? Each has a case, and each has fans that will be disappointed if their man is left riding the bubble into 2024.
     
  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, I think Ward deserves it over Cotto, but I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto beat him out for the same reason. Floyd and Wlad are locks.

    That said, I think the reality is, Ward will be back.
     
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  15. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather, Ward, Klitschko, in that order of deservedness. The way he went out against Joshua somewhat changed my opinion of Klitschko, but I still insist he's overrated and I almost gave the third vote to Cotto. But Cotto coming up short against the best and Klit's long reign as heavyweight champ as well as his international 'fame' should have to give it to him.

    Marquez deciding not to return and Hopkins and Bradley last competing in 2016 definitely made this easier than we worried it might be! Kazuto retired too early and needed more top Ws to land himself in the hall. Disappointed we didn't get to see him against Nietes.