Lets get 1 thing straight. The winner of Wilder v Ortiz becomes the #2 heavyweight!

You oughta drop the hate for him man, he actually does A LOT for this forum lol.

More than you and I, x100.

He's probably one of the only guys who would stay up to ungodly hours making rbr's, some of those Japanese cards start at 4:00 am Eastern.

Ain't nobodys got time for that **** man!

 

His "Educate Yourself" threads are great.
His RBRs are decent, and his scorecards good (generally)

But he's in every AJ and Charlo thread in full bash mode.

 

Yeah.. but you're no Saint yourself and neither am I or anyone else! Don't tell me you haven't been on Wilder/Ward/Floyd or whomever else threads and bashed em.

 

Wilder is already #2 this fight only holds that. AJ is still #1

 

I call a spade a spade.

Wilder could have should have didn't.....
I don't think Ward shoulda got the nod v Kessler. Even fight for sure, but 20+fouls....116-111 Kovalev and 20+low blows in the rematch. Ducked Bute ducked GGG....

May retired for 4yrs while PAC was prime. 2 failed roids tests...8/4 Castillo....KO Gatti on a break....

Yeah...I hate loudmouth B's who gotta get a ref and judges to win there fights.

Wilder....I'm warming up to his personality and he's proven his ho-choking is behind him.

 

Lots of bias BS and revisionist history of course.

That aside, you can say he's doing the same thing!

He says what he thinks/calls spade a spade yada yada.

 

Joshua is the best heavyweight right now.

Fury if he comes back and can shake off the rust has a legitimate claim.

Both also Draw huge

Wilder is just a belt holder right now that doesn't draw and arguably not even a top 3 heavyweight.

Nothing changes unless he beats Joshua or Fury.

He beats Joshua he'll be viewed as "the man"

He beats Fury he's the "lineal" champ

Right now he's with Povetkin and Ortiz and Parker as a top 5 guy but he happens to have one of the belts.

 

Idk about Wide.....

13 punches landed. 8Fury 5 Wlad.
Both do more feigning than fighting. 5 of Furys 8 punches are power shots...in the clinch, to the body. 1 looping R and a jab.

3 of Wlads are stiff jabs, one nice cross, one short L.

Fury won the 8 rds that went exactly like that.

Should have been a NC.

Fighters give back there purse including training costs unless there chief sparring partner and their trainers have a tag team fight.
Huey v Watch(???) and Banks v Uncle Pete.

That would give us our money worth.

As for Wlad AJ...

Wlad was light on his feet. Fought like he did v Mercer but also like he did v Brewster.
AJ had more return fire to offer, but Wlads experience and vast offensive prowess was on full display.
Both men ate shots that had KOd previously iron chin type fighters...ie Wlad Peter... Joshua KJ....
Both fighters landed great power shots, parried and even SLIPPED punches.
They both captured and lost the control of distance, pace, and geography.
Wladimir Klitschko is my favorite fighter in any class, in any era.
From Atlanta to Pannel, Purrity to Shultz, Sanders to Brewster, Byrd to AJ.
FROM hovel to HOF.
Everytime I hear Jim Rome or Max voice I remember the days of dialup. I remember them mocking the ROBOT from Russia. Both then punks had there backgrounds fd up. Got em confused and swore they were leaving faster than they would come.

20 yrs later and we're talking about Wlads 5th L in his 30 title fights against his 20th former or current world champion.

Damn...we need a Wladimir Klitschko appreciation thread. Educate ourselves on the rise of the Steel Hammer.

 

Fury is nothing but a disgraced steroid cheat.

 

Wilder does not have a chance to beat Ortiz without HAYMON BOXING INSURANCE! Wilder can't win a fight on his own, except for winos from the alley...................Wilder is afraid of Whyte, turned down $4,000,000 to fight Whyte, instead will fight Ortiz for far less? Something smells fishy...................could it be Haymon?

 

Tyson Fury is the champion? But Lennox Lewis didn't lose the belts? Tyson Fury was handed them by a guy who didn't beat Lewis to get them therefore he isn't and was never a legitimate Champion.


You wanna play them games then we can play them games, the reality of it is, Klitschko was the Champion who got beat by Fury, Fury became the Champion and became inactive not defending the belts once.

Nearly 3 years later and you still want too claim he's still Champion? Your either a AJ hater or better yet without being all political, I've noticed certain people on here have just never ever given a black guy credit, naming no names.

Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker and Deontay Wilder are the legitimate Heavyweight World Champions. Tyson Fury is a former Heavyweight Champion who was inactive.

Since when could you win a belt, retire and still be classed as a Champion? Anthony Joshua is the man too beat he has the most belts and the biggest win out of the current Champions. There's a reason Tyson Fury is targeting AJ because AJ is the top dog.

 

Agree with MVC here

CST is the best mod on esb for me no question!

FACTS!

 

Let's say Wilder wins tonight. for ACTIVE heavyweights, I would rank them...

1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Parker
4. Povetkin/Ortiz/Pulev
5. Breezey? Takam? Pretty meh after this point.

 

K 4-3 today. Wilder ortiz