Let's get our cards on the table about Froch/Ward situation.

"However. He should realise that history will look upon him more kindly if he takes a leaf out of the book of the other modern greats like Froch and Kessler. 2 guys who were happy to take their belts abroad to defend them. And enter a competition where home and away fights were written into contracts. Firstly, he should acknowledge it wasn't his star power or rating that had him have Kessler delivered to his back yard to win his title. That was luck. It was also never acknowledged by him that he had an unfair advantage in that tournament as he never had to leave his own country. If a new Super 6 came along, or they did Super 6 part 2 - would he sign up to it again, or would he sit out? I fear he would snub the machine that actually propelled him to the top."



Froch and Kessler arent modern greats. They were 2 of the numerous belt holders. A great is one who seperates himself from his peers. Ala Ward or Calzaghe


Secondly, Froch refused to fight Abraham in Germany for fear of being robbed.


1. Ward is still WBA super champion AND Ring Champion

2. Froch and Kessler are not modern greats

3. Froch refused to fight Abraham in Germany



Your lesson for today

 

Most British fans have hated on Ward since he won the super 6. Their latest round of insults is just more whining about that fact. I just laugh it off or re watch the fights.:rasta

 

Im a big Froch fan. However, he doesnt half talk some **** outside the ring. Ward beat him handily. This means all the cards are in Wards hands. Its upto Froch to take the risks IF he wants to make the fight. Ward doesnt need to fight Froch again. It's not as if the first fight left us with unanswered questions or any lingering doubts.

 

1. Froch and Kessler HAVE seperated themselves from their peers. They are the 2 biggest draws CURRENTLY in the SMW division (I say that since Bute hasn't fought for a while, though he is also worlds apart from others in terms of his pulling power). They seperated themselves by fighting the best as often as possible and providing fan friendly fights.

2. Froch ACTUALLY refused to fight Abraham in Germany because his fat useless promoter Mick Hennessy had been dumb enough to accept a 'handshake' that the fight would be Nottingham, as Froch had travelled the fight before. When Sauerland Sr. turned tail on that agreement, the only point was to then make a neutral territory as far as I remember...

 

It was his last fight with Hennessy I believe...Hearn's first fight as his promoter was Johnson, so yeah, it was during that...coupled with the fact that the posters for either the Kessler I and/or Abraham fight literally had the line: 'For tickets, call Lee Froch on...' and had his brother's number as the ticketline!

The Abraham fight was on Primetime, it was £15 for the stream, I paid for it, but remember having to get the stream rolling early because there were problems for people logging on at the last minute and getting horrendous lag and freezing.

 

I think it was one of the early ones - cos I think Froch/Kess I was also on primetime. I had to use alternate methods to watch that one as I was in Germany on tour at the time and was working that night, and obviously because it was Primetime there was no repeat.

Yeah, it was great for Smith to get promoted at that time, and Froch would probably have gone to Sky at that point even with Hennessy to be fair, it was always funny how even fights like the Pascal fight being on ITV never elevated him the way he is now...

 

Thats not how boxing works Brittard. Its decided in the ring. We've been over this. Drawing power has nothing to do with being great. For instance Arturo Gatti is not great.

Boxing greats are those that are head and shoulders in talent, ability and resume from the rest of their competitors.

I need to head over to the British forum. Must be some hilarious **** you guys cook up over there.

Actually said he didnt want to fight in Germany, because he thought he'd get robbed. But whatever the case he didnt want to fight in Germany.

 

Ward wants the fight he said he wants the fight and will do it in England. Hearn and Froch do not want the fight they are already making excuses and back up plans

 

I feel ya, it makes sense financially but the way i see it is ward owes froch nothing, he whupped his ass. a second win over carl does nearly nothing for him legacy wise so for him to do everything under carls terms when he's already clearly showed he was the better fighter and stands little to gain from being so heavily favoured is a little silly.....froch's biggest fans won't even pick him to win.

that being said, ward really has nowhere to go and he wants that fight so i think it's going down and even though some of his fans have gone buckwild crazy with ducking accusations over a dude that whupped his ass already I still hope Froch wins if it does happen (even though I know he won't win the upset would be great, not a ward fan at all myself). I feel weird that I've been defending Ward over the last few days and I don't even like the guy.

froch should aim for b-hop who he stands a chance at beating and who would proly come to the UK.

 

Good post PTF. I don't see what the big deal is. Even if Froch comes short again, he's a clear #2 in the division and picked up two solid wins after the loss, one being a big upset. I think he's earned it. Froch should go in trying to win 100%, and will aim to at least do better than last time, and Ward should come in trying to knock him out and improve his finishing ability while making more noise for himself as a result.

He's shown me very little to tell me he has anything resembling a solid chance against Ward, but why not. Nothing bad could come out of this fight. Especially if it's in the UK. If Ward wins again, especially if more dramatically, he'll have even further cemented his dominance and in front of more eyes in an even bigger promotion than their first fight. If Froch wins, it's a huge upset, a tremendous win, a momentous occasion for British boxing, and honestly, creates the drama of a rivalry in Ward's career that has been lacking and he could benefit from.

Two stand-up guys, two great resumes, one is simply more skilled and has a big style advantage to boot. No reason to hate on either guy for that simple reality.

 

I would be surprised if Froch made and offer to Ward's team at this point even in England.

I want to see ward come to England and whoop Froch again. I admire Froch and respect his fighting spirit, but I think there is too much talent difference here. I am pretty sure Team Froch know it as well.

I think the fans want it more than Froch's team and I think Froch;s team would be wise to avoid Ward again if they are worried about legacy