Let's get our cards on the table about Froch/Ward situation.

Yes, I don't include you in the irrational group of Ward haters. I enjoy reading your posts on this matter despite not agreeing with your point of view.:good

 

Aye mate, most I've enjoyed a game at Hampden in a while, played well there for once

 

This^^

Personally i can't see what all the crying is about. Ward would get himself a career high pay day and benefit massively if he beat froch in the uk and like you say if froch somehow managed to pull it off it would be momentous. Both fighters would have a lot to gain so what is there not to like? All i am hearing is the majority of ward diehards cling on to the fact that ward doesn't have to travel or even have a re-match.. Well he doesn't but the fact remains that if eddie hearn makes the offer ward would be walking away from the fight that makes most sense for him at 168.

 

dirrell didnt deserve to be given the win, ward won't be that inactive during rounds

 

the scorecards for the froch/ward fight in the US were worse than the Dirrell froch cards by a mile

 

And remember that it was the ENGLISH JUDGE who scored the fight widely for Ward in AMERICA...and the AMERICAN Judge who scored Froch-Kessler II the widest for Froch. I don't think SCORING abroad is the problem for Froch, I think he feels he will have his performance lifted by home fans...and potentially a ref that won't allow so much holding and fouling favours him slightly more than Smoger did. I actually think Podgorski did a great job on Saturday - you hardly knew he was there, yet when I watched the fight back he broke up 10 clinches throughout the fight, yet on first viewing you hardly knew he was even there.

With the terms that accepted when entering the Super 6, and what he's accomplished since, Froch does deserve a rematch at home.

 

carl froch has a better resume than ward does having said that, the fight should be rematched in England

 

It's the Bute, Pascal and Taylor wins - and the style of them - that sets him apart. In many ways, Froch's resume is held in higher regard due to the nature of his wins...always seeming to do it the hard way, than Ward's is.

Obviously this is a bit strange, but I think it's fairly true. The glaring discrepency in terms of reume being that Ward beat Froch fairly handily, and would probably have beaten everyone else Froch has faced too. I think he'll suffer in comparison to other people because he wins too easily, as many have said. Fans prefer fights that live long in the memory, and fighters who seem to have a bit more blood and thunder about them.

The only gap in Ward's resume is that he should have taken on Bute straight away. I don't think he would have handled him the way Froch did. In the same way he didn't handle Allan Green the way Kessler (or Johnson) did. People will go on about Bute being overhyped, but against Ward I think that was an entirely different fight. For boxing, that fight should have happened. For Froch, and as a Brit, I'm glad it didn't!

 

The Lucaian Bute win really put Froch over the time legacy wise, even more so avanging Kessler. looks great resume wise, probably the best resume since joe cal!

 

This is a good thread.

 

People willl always question Calzaghe's resume...that's a debate that will rage forever.

Despite the loss to Ward which may or may not be rectified in due course, Froch willbe remembered for fighting all the best fighters of his era and believing he could win. With a mindset like that, no one minds him losing a couple of fights.

 

Agreed.

It's quite the gauntlet Froch has run dating back 5 years or so. The only soft touch I can recall is Yusuf Mack.

 

i made a poll and froch beat joe cal if i recall, feel free to bump it :thumbsup

 

I think he does in fan-friendly and dangerous/risky fights. I think Calzaghe was a superior boxer, if not fighter, and watching his win over Kessler compared to Ward's and Froch's is an eye opener. Calzaghe was blisteringly fast, and took some great shots in that fight too. Underrated chin. No doubt he would have beaten Ward prime-for-prime on workrate.

The problem with Ward is he's already taking a safety first element to his fight choices (moaning about travelling...making Dawson come down in weight), and this is probably in spite of the fact he would win regardless.

His problem is his marketability is based solely on his 0 at the moment. If he were to lose a fight he'd be remembered as 'that boring, spoiling God botherer with no personality who lost to so and so'. To someone like Ward, a loss would de-rail his career. Not that I believe he'll lose anytime soon. With Froch, everyone's always thought he's there to be beaten, the attraction is in watching just how many people failed to do it. And certainly people are still wondering how he's never been stopped or knocked down more with his defense. That's why his attraction to fans endures beyond his 0 being gone.