Let's get our cards on the table about Froch/Ward situation.

Froch holds most of the cards.

He doesn't need to try to avenge the loss desperately because he admits that he was beaten by the better fighter and because he never claims to be the best fighter in the division.

On the other hand, Ward is desperate for a payday and at the moment he struggles to remain relevant even from a boxing perspective.

Ward should only get to fight Froch in the UK and only when it suits Froch.

 

this is why I have the upmost respect for you PTF... You seem to be level headed for the most part.

Lets be honest, the Ward hate came along before this fight this past weekend...it seems to only got worse...IMO, I think its more to do with people not accepting Ward as the #1 guy of the division...this has been going on for months if not years. Its a question I would love answered myself from the ones that say Ward is afraid to travel...Never have I seen a group of guys blame this soley on a person willing to travel...Its plenty past ATG that never traveld that much and I didn't hear fans ***** and moan about that.

Me personally, I would love for Ward to fight abroad to kill any doubt and erase the rumors that some people have place upon him, but until then we'll just have to wait and see how this will play out!

 

you know what I meant by that...Don't know if you're gonna flip out on us Americans.

J\k on a more serious note...I didn't anything bad or negative about it. Should have worded differently!atsch My mistake!:good

 

I agree...although I've been thinking more lately that Froch could well pick up another belt or 2 in big money fights which he will almost certainly win, just to wind Ward up a bit more. He will definitely go for a Ward rematch at some point...I can see the sense for it not being straight away, but if it is it wouldn't surprise me.

Not sure I agree so much about the perception of the division being on the slide as such. When the Super 6 started, the whole principal was that it was one of the strongest divisions in boxing besides 140-147. In contrast, LHW and MW were seen as weak, hence Abraham and Taylor moving up. When the S6 started, no one knew who Andre Ward was, or expected him to win, and no one expected Froch to be in the final. The main perception was that they'd roped Froch in cos he had no major TV coverage elsewhere to stop him entering, and that they could relieve him of his belt inthe process. What happened was Ward won convincingly against many top fighters, some in their prime (Froch) and some who were not far past it (Kessler was the pre-tourney favourite). I think this has led to the perception that the division is on the decline, as opposed to how far ahead Ward is...and to an extent how good Froch really is. Also, that tournament started 4 years ago, when all the boxers were in their peak...4 years later and there's only 2/3 of those guys left who are relevant while the next generation are coming through. But during the time he was clearing it out, the division was stacked.

 

Ah gotcha!

I think the S6 accelerated that process. You had a situation where the best fought the best (minus Bute), and if every other division had that, I think the end result would be the same...the division would seem bare and all the intrigue would have been removed.

I think it's defiinitely a 2 horse race - Froch has gone and cleared out the remainder of the division in beating Bute and winning the Kessler rematch, and apparently improving in the process - leaving enough room for the final showdown at 168 to be Froch Ward II. Due to the tough schedules, both these guys would beast anyone else coming through at the weight as well...Groves, Oosthuizen, Degale - they'd all get battered with these two guys as it stands. Someone else in another thread said 'iron forges iron'. So not only did the S6 accelerate the decline of the division, but it's made the top 2 fighters so tough, and having dealt with so many different styles in the process, that I don't see them losing to anyone but each other in this weight class for a good long time.

 

If Froch wants to fight Ward in England he needs to order his manager to pick up the phone and call Wards people.

Its that simple.

If he wants to even be considered the best in his division...if he wanst to avenge his one unavenged defeat, he HAS to fight Ward.

If I was him, Id be onto Hearns day and night,telling him to pick up the phone and offer Ward a kings ransom to come fight.

 

Would you shut the **** up about this "pick up the phone" ****?!

 

Well the man beat Froch handily. If they want a rematch in their home country wouldn't they make an offer?