Let's get our cards on the table about Froch/Ward situation.

BunnyGibbons · May 29, 2013

LikeFatherNSon said: ↑

Well the man beat Froch handily. If they want a rematch in their home country wouldn't they make an offer?
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Give him a chance, for ****'s sake, he's only just beat Kessler.

Ward has NO intention of fighting in the UK, anyway, as evidenced by his ridiculous call-out of Calzaghe. :verysad

LikeFatherNSon · May 29, 2013

BunnyGibbons said: ↑

Give him a chance, for ****'s sake, he's only just beat Kessler.

Ward has NO intention of fighting in the UK, anyway, as evidenced by his ridiculous call-out of Calzaghe. :verysad
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OK well let's see if they make him an offer. If he's given a sizable offer and rejects it then we know he has no intention of kicking Froch's ass again.

irishny · May 29, 2013

BunnyGibbons said: ↑

Would you shut the **** up about this "pick up the phone" ****?!
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Nope.
Im making it my catchphrase.

Its going to be my "Book 'em Danno"

I may even start making T-Shirts, Mugs and various other accessories or a worried looking Hearn sitting next to a phone.

hoopsman · May 29, 2013

If Ward decides to go to the UK, the result will be the same as if he fought on the far side of the moon.

Talent travels. Period.

jeffjoiner · May 29, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Right,let's get this cleared up and see if we can leave Dirrell,Boone colour and nationality out of it.

Ward beat Froch brilliantly.His utter dominance of that fight had me eating crow and I became a fan.
I've been a fan of Froch for much longer,all the while being honest about his shortcomings.I support him because he has injected much needed excitement into boxing in my country after the gap Hatton and to a lesser extent,Calzaghe left(and I wasn't a huge fan of either)

Ward is probably the second most proficient boxer in the world,and in all likelihood defeats Froch again as I don't see anything that he won't be able to neutralise.

But I support Froch,and when you support a fighter/team/athlete you should stick by them through thick and thin.

Froch has bounced back very well from the Ward defeat,and there is no other fight in the division that matters.Ward has the unusual problem of being just too good for his preferred weight class.

Now I'm not saying he is duty bound to give Froch a rematch,far less in the UK,but I don't think it's an insult to suggest that he comes over and tries to gain Froch's belts for a good payday.
Most Froch fans know it's too big an ask,but they know Carl will give it everything,regardless of whether it's not enough.
Of my ten favourite active fighters, only two are British,and as someone who has held his hands up about being wrong about Ward,I think it's pretty sad that many people have made this about race and nationality.
If Froch doesn't get the rematch,I won't be too bothered as he has nothing left to prove to me.Ward is exceptional,and losing on points to him is no disgrace.
If he does,I'll support him and still have a ton of respect for Ward.

Has Froch to go around saying"I know Ward had my number,and I'm happy being second best"?
Of course not.Boxing is a business and that attitude just won't fly with anyone.

So I'm asking a genuine question.Why did Froch winning and the suggestion that Ward gives him another shot provoke so much race baiting and nationalism verging on xenophobia,with the majority coming from people who hate Froch as Larry's thread in the immediate aftermath exemplified?

Let's keep it to the subject at hand please, and I would appreciate sensible,measured debate without xenophobic generalisations if that's not too much too ask.
Although it probably will be.
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This right here is why Pity is a great poster. I wish more people would follow this example, myself included at times.

My 2 cents is that a lot of anti-Americans jumped on the Froch and "Ward is a stay at home" bandwagons to spite Americans just as many Americans jumped onto a "you must be a butthurt Brittard" platform, myself unfortunately included at times. In the process, everybody looked the worse for it.

The fact of the matter is that all the true boxing fans I know respect Froch's warrior mentality and appreciate Ward's skills. And we all want the best to fight the best.

PityTheFool · May 29, 2013

jeffjoiner said: ↑

This right here is why Pity is a great poster. I wish more people would follow this example, myself included at times.

My 2 cents is that a lot of anti-Americans jumped on the Froch and "Ward is a stay at home" bandwagons to spite Americans just as many Americans jumped onto a "you must be a butthurt Brittard" platform, myself unfortunately included at times. In the process, everybody looked the worse for it.

The fact of the matter is that all the true boxing fans I know respect Froch's warrior mentality and appreciate Ward's skills. And we all want the best to fight the best.
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Excellent common sense and diplomacy Jeff.
I'm gonna check a few of this Pity guy's posts out and see what all the fuss is about.:good

DaveyboyEssexUK · May 29, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Right,let's get this cleared up and see if we can leave Dirrell,Boone colour and nationality out of it.

Ward beat Froch brilliantly.His utter dominance of that fight had me eating crow and I became a fan.
I've been a fan of Froch for much longer,all the while being honest about his shortcomings.I support him because he has injected much needed excitement into boxing in my country after the gap Hatton and to a lesser extent,Calzaghe left(and I wasn't a huge fan of either)

Ward is probably the second most proficient boxer in the world,and in all likelihood defeats Froch again as I don't see anything that he won't be able to neutralise.

But I support Froch,and when you support a fighter/team/athlete you should stick by them through thick and thin.

Froch has bounced back very well from the Ward defeat,and there is no other fight in the division that matters.Ward has the unusual problem of being just too good for his preferred weight class.

Now I'm not saying he is duty bound to give Froch a rematch,far less in the UK,but I don't think it's an insult to suggest that he comes over and tries to gain Froch's belts for a good payday.
Most Froch fans know it's too big an ask,but they know Carl will give it everything,regardless of whether it's not enough.
Of my ten favourite active fighters, only two are British,and as someone who has held his hands up about being wrong about Ward,I think it's pretty sad that many people have made this about race and nationality.
If Froch doesn't get the rematch,I won't be too bothered as he has nothing left to prove to me.Ward is exceptional,and losing on points to him is no disgrace.
If he does,I'll support him and still have a ton of respect for Ward.

Has Froch to go around saying"I know Ward had my number,and I'm happy being second best"?
Of course not.Boxing is a business and that attitude just won't fly with anyone.

So I'm asking a genuine question.Why did Froch winning and the suggestion that Ward gives him another shot provoke so much race baiting and nationalism verging on xenophobia,with the majority coming from people who hate Froch as Larry's thread in the immediate aftermath exemplified?

Let's keep it to the subject at hand please, and I would appreciate sensible,measured debate without xenophobic generalisations if that's not too much too ask.
Although it probably will be.
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Words of Wisdom................

PityTheFool · May 29, 2013

DaveyboyEssexUK said: ↑

Words of Wisdom................
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Check this thread Davey.It would appear they're not that wise at all as the words "Froch" and "athlete" don't belong in the same sentence.:roll:

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=479681

VG_Addict · May 29, 2013

Ward beat Froch convincingly, and with one hand. There is NO reason to believe the outcome would be any different in a rematch.

BunnyGibbons · May 29, 2013

VG_Addict said: ↑

Ward beat Froch convincingly, and with one hand. There is NO reason to believe the outcome would be any different in a rematch.
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So Ward should jump at the opportunity to rake in some easy coin, maybe even win a few fans by fighting outside his comfort zone.

Or else he should just retire. The way you ****s go on about him, whoever he fights, the result is a foregone conclusion before he ever steps foot in the ring.

PityTheFool · May 29, 2013

BunnyGibbons said: ↑

So Ward should jump at the opportunity to rake in some easy coin, maybe even win a few fans by fighting outside his comfort zone.

Or else he should just retire. The way you ****s go on about him, whoever he fights, the result is a foregone conclusion before he ever steps foot in the ring.
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TBF,Bunny,it seems Wlad is the only guy out there who can test him.:roll:

irishny · May 29, 2013

BunnyGibbons said: ↑

So Ward should jump at the opportunity to rake in some easy coin, maybe even win a few fans by fighting outside his comfort zone.

Or else he should just retire. The way you ****s go on about him, whoever he fights, the result is a foregone conclusion before he ever steps foot in the ring.
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Im sure Ward would have no issue with wanting to "make some coin".

The issue is....can you guess what im going to say...can you???

Say it with me now....

WHETHER HEARN IS WILLING TO PICK.UP.THAT PHONEEEEEEE.

Everyones talking about why Ward wont do this or that...Until Hearn picks up that ever lovin' long distance telecommunications device, the fight cant happen.

PityTheFool · May 29, 2013

irishny said: ↑

Im sure Ward would have no issue with wanting to "make some coin".

The issue is....can you guess what im going to say...can you???

Say it with me now....

WHETHER HEARN IS WILLING TO PICK.UP.THAT PHONEEEEEEE.

Everyones talking about why Ward wont do this or that...Until Hearn picks up that ever lovin' long distance telecommunications device, the fight cant happen.
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Just a small point but relevant all the same;
I would have embellished the "N" in phone as it sounds like "phoney" the other way.
:think
Mmm.Now if it wasn't for my insistence on sensible conduct,we could have some real fun with that.

DaveyboyEssexUK · May 29, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Check this thread Davey.It would appear they're not that wise at all as the words "Froch" and "athlete" don't belong in the same sentence.:roll:

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=479681
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ah i see your point Joe ignorantly thinks Froch relies on his chin etc lol Froch`s fanatical dedication to training has been badly sidelined by Joe atsch

jeffjoiner · May 29, 2013

PityTheFool said: ↑

Excellent common sense and diplomacy Jeff.
I'm gonna check a few of this Pity guy's posts out and see what all the fuss is about.:good
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