Let's get this straight (Wilder, Wlad)

Is that news? Wilder is tall but comes in at like 220lbs...

Also I’d disagree Wlad is the most technically proficient in history and also that that means Wilder won’t land...Wilder will happily take one to land one for a start...

 

When he takes one to land one its not by choice.He should be landing easier with his stats without getting wobbled by c level fighters

 

Wlad was also much more risk averse than Wilder; he won't throw if his feet aren't set. Wilder is quicker too.

Plus, the real key point here is Fury. I don't see that this is the same Fury at all.

 

Wilder is a strange one since he basically has no 'bad match-ups'.
His style is do-or-die. 100% commitment or nothing. In that sense he is unique, certainly in the HW division.
Unless you can dodge the right hand all fight, you're done for.
Perhaps the very elite athlete/tacticians can do that but Wilder is virtually impossible to prepare for.
The guy routinely gets 'out-boxed' and has to bide his time, waiting and trying to set traps.
His range is unparalleled and he takes risks no other fighter would dream of, that makes him formidable.
I wouldn't bet against Fury being able to dance away and 'figure him out' since he is a great, cerebral and adaptive fighter but .....it's no certainty.
A very interesting match if it goes ahead.

 

The most impressive thing for me mate is that you didn’t mention Eubank senior once in that post. Proud of you, man.

 

Regarding Wilder, I feel that he is an instinctive fighter. I don’t believe he sets anything up. If it were chess he would only be thinking one move ahead.

I don’t think he has the attitude of being willing to take one to land one either, I just think he gets caught due to a defensive deficiency in his fundamentals. It just so happens that that’s when he catches a fighter on the head because that’s when they open up. For example, Ortiz, Szpilka and even Molina were having successes and as such were taking risks to get Wilder out of there.

The only way he stops Fury is if Fury comes looking for him to stop him...and there’s no chance of that. Fury happily works on the backfoot and will box for 12 rounds, he doesn’t really look for knockouts. We’ve all seen what Wilder is like with southpaws, he openly admits he’s found it difficult to deal with. Expect 12 rounds of Fury fighting southpaw.

Wilder won’t be able to set anything up on December 1st against a bigger, unorthodox boxer who loves to fight on the backfoot.

 

Wilder is not punching his competition, really hard, in the face, by accident.
He knows whether by instinct or design, that the element of surprise is one of his best weapons.
Ortiz, for all his faults, is a savvy and experienced, technically sound boxer.
That didn't matter much in the 5th against Wilder though. He has probably got away with shipping a few right hands from other fighters, flinching and catching them on the forehead as he tried against Wilder.
Wilder's power and snap is such that it was actually enough to down Ortiz, who was so shaken, he gestured that the punch hit him on the back of the head!
Wilder may be clumsy and wind-milling when he knows he can get away with it but don't let fool you into thinking he's not a great tactician and 'trap-setter'.
He probably couldn't be as successful with any other style imo.
Watch the Ortiz fight again and you will see Wilder execute his game plan as well as he possibly could, taking out the greater boxer with raw athleticism and timing.
Could well go the same way against Fury who is far more prone to being 'timed' since he doesn't tend to box with the same level of discipline as Ol' Ortiz.

 

Wlad is infinitely more proficient technically than Wilder but that doesn't mean it makes it easier for Fury because he was able to beat Wlad.

Fury is a boxer so he could read Wlad better, knew when and where he's going to throw his punches, makes him easier to read even if he is technically better.

I don't even think Wilder knows what he's going to throw next nevermind mind reading him. Makes him an entirely different problem altogether.

Maidana did miles better v Floyd than Marquez did. Size and strength played a part but also Maidana threw unpredictable punches that Floyd found harder to cope with (well early in the fights at least) whereas Marquez whilst near perfect could be read like a book.

 

Wilder’s unorthodoxy and recklessness is arguably his strongest asset after his power and height.

 

I’ve seen the fight against the old man a few times bud. Thought he got out boxed, and if it had been a British ref like Howard Foster he’d have been stopping the fight at the end of the 7th where he was out on his feet. Credit to him for hanging in there, getting his head together and landing the big shot in 10th. My criticism would be that he went life and death with an old man who was gassed by the 9th round.

 

No **** Sherlock the clue is in the weight they both fight at!

 

Out-boxed maybe, depends how you define that.
I will admit I was laughing at the screen as old man Ortiz was ''pouring it on' in the corner, I was thinking: surely not! It was funny to me and I was almost embarrassed for Wilder as he sank on to his stool to a dumfounded and silent corner team.
Fair play, he got by with a little help from his friends and no shortage of determination.
That fight will stand him in good stead against Fury imo, on paper and in terms of styles, Fury toys with Wilder but I can't help thinking Wilder might just react better in that split-second and turn the fight.
Must see viewing.

 

Wlad's issue in the Fury fight was that he didn't do anything up until round 12.
Almost everyone else in that situation would have thrown caution in the wind or sooner, and have much more chance to get Fury out of there.

Also, Fury has proven to be very hittable ageinst lesser fighters, throwing the overhand right. And Wilders' right is hard to read.