Let's give Joshua credit and finally appreciate him

I agree that Wilder should have done far far far more than what he did and has done, far more. I think everybody on these boards has given him stick for that.

Fury, well he went to Germany, took the belts from Wlad who hadn't been beaten in a decade.. regardless of the performance, it was a impressive result and then it all went sideways when Fury suffered serious problems.

Fury after a 3 year lay off then went to the US after Pianeta and Saferi and fought Wilder twice, won both, given a draw then battered Wilder.. I think the criticism of Fury is a little off for the time being, sure the AJ would have been nice but they had a contract and should honour it, as frustrating as that is,

I also believe if you actually go through AJ's record, it's OK, it's not terrible, but it isn't as good as some people think, look at the age and state of some of those fighters, way last primes and just names.

And yes, many other fighters do the same but the idea after getting exposed and embarrassed in his own backyard we should start praising AJ.

I don't think expecting world champions to fight mandatory challengers or tough fights is a big ask.. yes I know it's boxing and I know many champions take easier roads but..

Go and look at Usyks resume, fought all the other world champions in their own backyards and unified the cruiserweight division, done it in style, then goes to heavyweight, has two scratchy performances and then schools a unified heavyweight champion in his backyard..

That is something worthy of praise, that is something that rather incredible actually, this idea I should be praising AJ for doing far less.. nah I can't have it.

 

That latter paragraph is all salty speculation on your part to cope with the loss. AJ was also pretty comprehensively battered in there, it wasn't that competitive at all.

 

I believe that was a small amount of people and the vast majority were ripping Wilder to pieces and joking for months and still joke about his excuses.

Wilder became a meme on these boards and so did some of his fans.

 

Wilder may not beat Usyk but his right hand would sleep AJ.
AJ would never shut Usyk out too lol.

 

Personally I think Hilary deserves more credit..


It's my belief she certainly has bodies on her record

 

You just said Fury didn't really beat Klitschko and that AJ did yet you call someone else a blind fanboy?

 

You say AJ's record is OK but who else could he have realistically beaten at that time, Wilder was running scared, Fury was suspended for 2 years and was seen as washed up until he fought Wilder. AJ beat the best that was available, I can't see it any other way.

I honestly don't see the difference between Usyk and Joshua's resume. Both from the start showed tremendous ambition and tried to fight the best. Sure Usyk fought opponents in their backyard but that really wasn't his choice. AJ had the privilege of having a huge boxing market in the UK something that the Ukraine lacks. Had Usyk been able to fill 70K stadiums in Ukraine generating countless millions you don't think he would of taken advantage of that and not only gotten home town vantage but been paid more. What should AJ have done, take a huge pay cut, fight Martin in the US in front of a small crowd for peanuts? As champion tell Wlad who has no title he's going to gift him hometown advantage and fight him in Germany, but both have to accept less money for the privilege because they can't generate the same gate in Germany as the UK?

 

I did what?

 

I believe it's what they call "Cope"

AJ fanboys are struggling, really struggling, they have bought this idea AJ is a monster, a master boxer, a huge puncher.. an all time great.

They have bought everything Hearn sold them, this is the same Hearn that is selling them Campbell Hatton.



Anyway, after months of "AJ too big, too strong" they had to sit there saturday night and watch Usyk walk AJ down at times.. reality is sometimes hard to accept.

So now it's.. let's still give AJ credit instead of admitting they have it wrong, very wrong about AJ.

 

Bang on the money GC

 

It was you wasn't it..

Posting my old fury quotes? Or have I got that wrong too?

 

Wasn't me, I really would never be arsed quoting anything over a day ago! Especially reaching back that far.

 

This is definitely just one big cope session for the fanboys. I'm just here to laugh at their pathetic praise of their failed hypejob of a hero. Always fun to laugh at Brits losing too as an Irishman, it's in our blood by now.

 

The Klitschkos got tons of stick for their reigns, the division was called "poor", sure they have incredible records on paper (KO percentages and defences) and have great achievements but are they spoken about as the greatest?

They dominated their era, AJ isn't even dominating his era, he isn't regarded as number 1, he has been slapped around and outboxed by much smaller men.

My point is, sure AJ may have fought the best he could AT TIMES, and sure it might not be all his fault that some fights didn't happen, people need to look closely at his record.. old man Wlad, old man Povetkin, old man Pulev

It isn't what some make it out to be, Takam FFS, Molina FFS, AJ hasn't fought a list of incredible fighters, he has fought some half decent and old past it names.

he won the title from Charles Martin, who many call the worst heavyweight champion of ALL TIME.

Parker was a boring, safety first performance that went the distance, AJ didn't drop or hurt Parker.. Yet Chisora and Whyte did.. explain it to me.


I see AJ as a lot of smoke and mirrors, great promotion and hype.

When he has fought opponents who have turned up somewhat in their prime and wanted to actually fight him.. AJ has lost.

Even the Ruiz rematch, Ruiz turns up morbidly obese and it still goes the distance.. AJ isn't what you otmothers think he is.