lets have a serious discussion about who is the middleweight champion

I think that you got the meaning "official" mixed up with something.

I am asking if there is any formal rule that specifically accepts the "lineal" title and says that the "lineal champion" has no obligations whatsoever and is protected from losing his "title" in any possible scenario except inside the ring.

 

Boxing used to allow wrestling as well.

They used to fight bareknuckle.

Over 100 rounds.

Your "tradition" means nothing "official", sorry.

 

It’s not what weight he chose to come in at, it’s what the limit was for the fight. For Cotto-Martinez, the catchweight was only 1 lb under 160. Cotto came in much lower, but the agreement allowed Martinez to be (almost) a full Middleweight. The issue with that fight wasn’t as much the weight but was the fact that Martinez was injured.

No, I wouldn’t call it Middleweight, I would call a catchweight. I don’t like catchweights, I’d rather see all fights fought at the normal 154 lb limit or 160 lb limit. No catchweights. Catchweights are a way for one fighter to get an advantage over another and should not be happening in boxing.

Lets have a serious discussion about who is the middleweight champ. Canelo is the Lineal Middleweight Champ. GGG has the other belts. GGG has more belts but Canelo has THE belt.

DLH and Golden Boy should be planning out the next 2 or 3 fights for Canelo, and working with the commission to allow Canelo some tune-up fights at 154 in preparation for GGG. You want to build up a fight of this magnitude throughout 2016.

Why not have Canelo fight the 154-lb WBO Champ next, include the vacant belts. Then if Canelo wins that, defend the 154-lb belts or go up to 160. I just don’t like how the WBC is threatening to strip Canelo’s title if he doesn’t immediately fight GGG. It’s ridiculous don’t you agree.

If you don’t want to see more catchweights in boxing, then the commission shouldn't force Canelo to move up to 160 too fast. Canelo still has unfinished business at 154, and once he goes up to 160 lb he will probably want to stay there.

No, that’s not it. Cotto was not ranked #1 or #2 as a Jr Middleweight. Cotto was actually ranked as a Middleweight since he defeated Martinez. Canelo on the other hand has been #1 ranked at Jr Middleweight for a long time. Unlike Cotto, Canelo is undefeated in his career at 154 lbs, so he’s the clear #1 now at Jr Middle. GGG is #1 at Middleweight, and it is unclear where or in what division Cotto will be ranked now.

Floyd was the Jr Middleweight Champ, he recently vacated and is retired so he’s no longer ranked. It’s important that Canelo stays at 154-lb because he deserves an immediate title shot for the vacant titles. My suggestion would be to fight the 154-lb WBO Champ next for that title and the vacant titles.

At 154-lbs Canelo has beaten the highest ranked fighters in that division so he is deserving of an immediate title shot.

 

I am not making anything up. Lineage finishes when a boxer retires or moves weight class. As soon as Cotto won he defended twice at 153.5. The fact it was for a title (WBC) is actually irrelevant. Fights were made at 155 for one simple reason Miguel Cotto is not a middleweight, so he wants to contest at his weight class, the one pound was to satisfy the sanctioning body. It is totally illogical to list Miguel Cotto as a middleweight today since he fought at jnr-middle yesterday and has clearly stated that he is a junior-middleweight. One minute nobody has anytime for the ABCs, then in another arguement the 'titlefight' was important. Get real IT WAS JUST A FIGHT.

 

Is there anyone willing to fight at 160 who isn't a can?

 

Does anyone have a pic of Canelo with his new shiny lineal title?

 

I would formulate it differently:
Canelo is a LINEAL CHAMPION.
Golovkin is THE CHAMPION.

 

Cotto was ranked 1 and Canelo was ranked 2 in the rankings I produce at junior-middleweight. Cotto was not a middleweight as soon as he fought inside 154. Which was against Daniel Geale.
www.premierboxingorganisation.com/junior-middleweight-154

 

thays the thing Golovking is unified and has beaten higher ranked champions while being blatantly ducked by the lineal champion so its coming to the point where he is establishing a new lineage, you cant possibly say Canelo is the #1 middleweight

 

If Canelo stepped up to the plate it would be a good fight. I still think GGG wins, but Alvarez isn't a can. Certainly better than shot Martinez.

But, he has to actually DEFEND his mandatory ...

 

I can roll with that :yep :deal

 

Doesn't WBC have a rule if you win a vacant title you have to do 2 mandatories? That's what Canelo just did.

I'll settle for a single mando with Golovkin though

 

Well Cotto and Canelo knew who was next in line for the belt when they fought ...

 

Alvarez vs the Triple Duck is NOT a "super fight." Not even close...

 

What was the contractual weight of the fight?