lets have a serious discussion about who is the middleweight champion

i dont know if you are naive or stupid. do you think all the wbc's decisions are based on determining who the best fighter in the world should be? or that the other orgs just donate titles while the wbc plays it straight? is this what you are saying?
btw, if you are over 25, then the answer is stupid.

 

"I have respect for Golovkin, but if we do fight, it's going to be at my weight class. I'm the champion, I don't have to do what he wants." - Canelo.

Get yourself a plate and some cutlery, some humble pie is on the way.

 

Canelo still considers himself the un-crowned Jr Middleweight Champion. He is the #1 ranked fighter in that division and the titles lay vacant since Floyd never defended them. Canelo's weight is 154/155 lbs. What he’s saying there is that as of now, he is fighting as a Jr Middleweight and that he is still planning on staying in that weight class. So if you wanna fight GGG then lets fight. I don’t wanna see a catchweight though, I’d rather have the fight in 2017 when Canelo grows into a being a True Middleweight.

He now holds the Lineal Middleweight Title guaranteeing him a future fight with GGG but still has business at 154-lb. There’s no reason why Canelo cannot fight at 154-lb while holding the 160-lb title. Floyd did a similar thing for 2 full years holding 2 belts at 154-lb while fighting for titles at 147-lb. If Canelo can’t do that for 1 year with 1 belt then there’s not a level playing field.

 

Yeah I still don't think that's acceptable. Can you imagine the flack Mayweather would have caught if he'd have said he was the champ at 154lb post Cotto and then hid from Canelo down at 147 with suggestions that he'd have to come down a whole weight division if he wanted the fight anytime soon?

 

Canelo has one belt.
How many does GGG have -- 3-4 ????

 

Please cite the state commission which validates the WBC title.

 

What in the HELL are you talking about?

I'm for winning title in the ring and losing them in the ring.

That's it.

I'm not for any organizations stripping people or making up pretend titles or naming one guy an "interim" and another guy a "regular" and another guy a "super" and another guy a "silver" ...

Boxing survived without sanctioning bodies for decades.

Boxing survived when champions wouldn't fight their most dangerous challengers.

Boxing survived when one champion wanted all the money and wouldn't give his challenger any.

Boxing survived world wars. Boxing survived global economic meltdowns.

Boxing survived because people like WATCHING the fights ... that's it.

That's ALL we're really interested in.

This other stuff is just muck you have to wade through.

Anyone WHO WANTS TO SEE sanctioning bodies strip one guy, invent new titles, try to block match-ups ... are just frustrated because the guy they LIKE WATCHING FIGHT isn't getting the fights they want to see him in.

But clamoring for that just gives orgs more power that they don't deserve.

Canelo Alvarez is the middleweight champion. The next middleweight champion will be the guy who beats Alvarez. The middleweight champion after that will be the fellow who beats the guy who beat Alvarez.

That's it.

You can think someone is BETTER than Alvarez, but he's the champion. He beat the champion. He's the champion. When he loses, that guy will be the champion.

All the rest is just nonsense.

 

Archie Moore "accepted" $500 to fight for the light heavyweight title. Moore was the number-one contender for 10 years. He had to give Joey Maxim everything to get a title shot. And then he fought Maxim and beat him up and won the title.

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad (Eddie Gregory) accepted $25,000 to fight for the light heavyweight title against Marvin Johnson. Even though he was one of the two or three best in the division, Gregory agreed to an insulting offer and then beat the hell out of Johnson and took the title.

They didn't say "I'm the draw. I'm better than the champion. I deserve more money."

They wanted to win the title in the ring so they took the short end won the title in the ring.

If Golovkin wants Canelo so bad, take the short money, agree to any rematch clauses Alvarez wants, and beat Canelo so badly that the guy never wants anything to do with you ever again.

That's what Lennox Lewis did when he actually fought Mike Tyson. Tyson's team wanted rematch clauses ... even if they lost ... or they wouldn't fight. Lewis said fine. And he beat Tyson so bad ... Tyson wanted nothing to do with him ever again.

And, to rub it in Tyson's face, Lewis went to court and DEMANDED Tyson get in the ring with him again so he could destroy Tyson a second time. And Tyson begged out of the fights, and wanted tuneups, and got face tattoos and ended up getting knocked out by Danny Williams in a tune-up because he never wanted to fight Lennox Lewis again.

If Golovkin wants the fight to PROVE he's the REAL middleweight champion, then do whatever it takes to make the fight ... and then make Canelo never want to fight him again.

Get him in the ring and beat him in the ring.

If Canelo doesn't want to fight him, arguing over purse splits or arguing over anything is going to ensure it doesn't happen.

 

About the same amount of flack Mayweather got for trying to weight drain Canelo with a 152 lb catchweight?

And FYI Floyd was the champ at 154 lb post Cotto and arguably did exactly that (hid from Canelo down at 147) following the Canelo fight while being allowed to hold the titles. I didn’t really have a problem with Mayweather holding on to those titles while fighting at 147-lb, since he made fights with Maidana and Pacquiao and stayed active vs Berto. Floyd was allowed to hold those titles by staying active in World Title Fights. I don’t see why Canelo can’t do the same thing in this situation. You know, there are fights at 154-lb that can’t happen at 160-lb. Once Canelo makes that jump to 160-lb and unifies the MW division, he’s losing the ability to fight certain fighters at 154-lb.

So it’s important he stays at 154-lb for now. Remember what happened to fighters like Roy Jones who went up in weight too fast then tried to come back down.

 

His opponents were over 154 Lbs. though. Hey, I don't like this catch-weight BS either but is one of the fighters is over 154 Lbs... it's technically a MW fight.

Lineal? He beat Martinez who was certainly considered the Lineal MW Champ. Golovkin is the best MW, Canelo is the Lineal Champ.

I do agree that if he refuses to allow his opponent to come in "up to" 160 Lbs... then that recognition should be denied.

 

Wishful thinking, but I'm hoping it's just early negotiations tactics.

"Oh I won't fight at 160....unless I get paid more"

 

Canelo is the lineal middleweight champion. Period.

You don't have to like the way the belt passed around, but that's how it happened. Canelo holds that title now since taking it from Cotto.

 

:admin YEP !!!

Could change from Canelo to O$CAR....

would say the same thing.

 

Canelo fought for the world middleweight title weight limit 160 pounds so that's a lie. Either Canelo defends that title at 160 or gets stripped of all titles fined too. Weight limit 160 pounds Canelo can come in any weight he wants below that same as Golovkin can.
How about Pretty in Pink? Has he paid Golovkin the $80.000 he owes him ??? Looks like both Cotto & Canelo are an embarrassment to their countries both Puerto Rico & Mexico have the reputation of producing FIGHTERS!!!!!!! not cowards

 

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Very well said...