Let's Hear It For Sugar Ray Leonard.

Sugar KO 1 Billy Backus

 

Hector Camacho KO 5 Ray Leonard :tdh

 

Of course, all of this Sugar Ray Leonard knew and used to his advantage.

I apoligise.

 

You must have missed the thread I wrote "What Ray Leonard must do to certify his greatness". If you had read it you'd understand just how far he needed to go. In the 1940's he'd never be able to get away with his antics and would be laughed out of the sport for making such ludicrous demands.

He'd be a a good prelim fighter but never a main event fighter. Can you imagine Leonard competing at the same time as Robinson at welter?

He couldn't carry Robinson's jockstrap.

 

Robinson also made outrageous demands as well. Everything had to be to his satisfaction before he'd enter the ring.

Some members of the press and Robinson's team were never certain he'd actually compete in a sheduled match until he was in the ring with the first bell sounding.

Maybe thats a slight overexaggeration, but ive heard that statement before about Robinson.

A very complex and difficult individual to deal with, who was said to have a great business brain between his ears.

 

Forget the rumours, look at his record.

For the first 11 years I see a very long list of enviable accomplishments and abounding with rematches with anyone with significance.

He was ambitious to say the least, an overachiever if ever there was one. What's more, he had more pride than leonard and would never think of asking for a match if the opponent was down. By down, I mean in decline or looking shaky, or vulnerable in any way that other fighters can spot. Leonard was spoiled and got everything on a silver platter including two titles in one night-he didn't have no 100 fights. He didn't even have 50 fights or close to it.

If people want to call me a hater for harping on it, that's just their way of trying to deny it-but we all know they-Griffo, Dinner, JT, Mantequilla, and all the other ignoramuses, can't.

Robbi, do you know what would happen to this forum if I stayed away for more than a week? Those types would begin congregating at ESB and wind up like some cheap forum with a bunch of kids at the helm taking over. It would be like leaving the trash out for a week and finding roaches swarming all over the house.

Don't you want your house clean?

But wait, there's more...when RR had a rematch, it didn't take better part of a decade as it did with Leonard. You know I just don't believe in that bull**** (his excuses). That's for the lame and the weak and Robinson just doesn't fit that bill.

Robbie was never hesitant to fight and his record proves it. That's one of the reasons he's so highly esteemed.

 

Go back and read Gordon's account if you haven't done so yet and once you have this knowledge available to you, will be better prepared to ask the right questions. :smoke

 

news flashl-both were past their primes so it evens out. It doesn't tell you that one fighter destroyed another fighter based on only one fighter's decline.

Hector Camacho hasn't seen his prime since 1987 when nobody could even compete with him. so 3 defeats later (4 when you count Duran) and 30 pounds heavier, looks on paper like Hector is doing just as bad as Ray.

That's what it looks like to me. Ray did have the problem of inactivity but this was his sort of situation. You know, he lays on the sofa for a few years watching fights until a flash of inspiration hits him and compels him to make another comeback. He's done this before typically does very well.

We all know what leonard was thinking after Hector's last fight-"he got beat by a 45 year old, a 45 year old I beat twice!"

Everyone knows this Young Griffo!


So leonard had his inactivity and Hector had his losses. The greatness of Hector relative to Leonard's, was too much to cope with and he simply overpowered him.

 

Julio Cesar Chavez W12 Hector Camacho

oh, and...

Glen Johnson K09 Roy Jones Jr. :good

Hey, this is fun! Let's keep it going! :thumbsup

 

Hey, great game!!

SRL TKO8 Duran
SRL W12 Duran
SRL W12 Hagler
Parker TKO3 Fletcher
Curry TKO2 "Hard Rock (for Rooster)" Green
Jail KO1 Ayala
Robbi TKO2 Rooster

 

I'm in

Barkley ko 3 Hearns

Nelson ko 8 Fenech

Norris w 12 Leonard

Duran w 15 Leonard

 

Why do you hate Leonard with so much passion?

 

I pick on him for all the special treatment he got. Where would he be without it?

People actually believe his claims as a five time world champion when he couldn't even handle Norris. Two titles in one night? Forget about it!

 

OMG what are you going to do now, you've used all (a meager 3) SRL's losses and we haven't even warmed up

Greg Haugen W12 Hector Camacho
Tito Trinidad W12 Camacho
ODLH W12 Camacho
Chris Walsh!!! TD7 Camacho!