Let's Hear It For Sugar Ray Leonard.

Ha ha, how embarrassing is this. "No knockout needed". Leonard even gets stick for being able to finish a guy off. Whitaker receives extras for not being able to break an egg.


Time for a good laugh

 

These SRL haters are all out of the same mold, same old same old every dang time. At least variation might make it a little interesting but no, no, no.

 

JT. If you asked me this "What fighters do you really dislike". I'd probably say Tyson, Hamed, and Leonard. I've never been a Leonard fan at all. Two WBC titles from two different weights won on one night. Maybe thats why. I'd be embarraessed with such history on my record.

To win two titles in two different weight divisions you need to have fought two fights. Just boxing politics, and Leonard sweet talking WBC president, Jose Sulaiman.

But no denying Leonard's greatness. He's probably the greatest fighter since Ali retired as heavyweight champion in 1978. Leonard, Whitaker, and Jones Jr.

 

So wins over Hearns, Benitez, Duran and Hagler wouldn't persuade you to swap boxing records because of the two title thing?

Many would agree, he's certainly a cut above regarding best collection of wins.

For the record, you are not one of those i was thinking of. You wouldn't consider yourself a hater i don't think.

 

JT. Not saying you were thinking of me as a hater. Just thought Id let you know I'm not a serious fan, but can see his greatness. I do dislike Leonard, but I would not show it terms of discussing his career and achievements. Unbiased.

I continually stick up for him over the Hagler decision. He won the fight close, but clear in my eyes.

One of smartest fighters in the history of boxing.

 

Fair call mate.

 

But that shouldn't count because it was unfair on Hagler. After all, Marv was fighting above his best weight and had only fought once in five years... :yep

 

JT. The fabulous four ranked "pound for pound"

1. Roberto Duran
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Thomas Hearns

I have Duran ranked number one based on his superb reign as lightweight champion, and being ranked as maybe the greatest lightweight of all time, also moving up and winning titles in three more divisions while past his prime. Some would maybe come to the conclusion he was still in his prime when he moved up and beat Leonard right enough, its arguable. He had more lifes than a cat throughout his career. Especially "no mas" and his devastating KO loss to Hearns.

Leonard never had to comeback from such devastating setbacks, although his win against Hagler after a long layoff takes some beating.

 

How about him? He was favored against Haugen but not Chavez and in the Haugen fight kept having points deducted allowing Greg into the scoring.

Norris was a long way from needing that kind of situation. He accomplished that easy feat all on his own.

5-10 years earlier Hector certainly would have been favored vs. Chavez but who'd want to take a chance against him? Winning fights came as easily to him as breathing and had a bad habit of never losing. You know I can't give Edwin the fight for winning two rounds. That would be wishful thinking.

 

Oh baby, come in spinner. Yesty you said (and have always beat Leonard up for this fight)

Lets gut it shall we. Leonard was 34 against Norris, just a few months off 35. You refuse to accept age or peak quotient as an excuse. Here you tell us Hector would have been favoured vs Chavez 5-10 years earlier. Hector was 30 when he fought Chavez, Leonard 34 vs Norris. You have always told us Camacho was way past it vs Haugen, yet the man was just 29! No such leeway for Leonard. Camacho had 38 fights coming into Haugen, and woe is me SRL had the same number coming into Norris so you can't look for excuses there. Norris it is fair to say is a bit better fighter than Haugen to boot. Truth be told Leonard hard much much harder opponents and fights than Camacho so if anything Leonard should be getting the leeway. One struggles to see how such Redrooster favourites, stalwarts and legends such as Louis "The Lip" Loy, Melvin "The Tank" Paul and Greg "Candyman" Coverson would take more out of him than Hearns, Hagler and Duran out of SRL.

Take up knitting bro, you'd be much better suited (besides the fact that the pic you sent dinner which he posted definitely makes knitting look like you)

:good

 

Hector's abusive lifestyle brought him down. he's an abusive type of person. Everyone knows it. Even you acknowledged it a couple days ago. Leonard took care of himself staying in shape for Hagler once he found his nerve.

But Ray looked fine for his age similar to Hopkins who was just reaching his peak. How do you explain that?

The only way you can tell a fighters declining is how the legs are working in recent fights. But as we all saw, that wasn't a problem in the uno mas fight. Ray fought the perfect fight as Steve Farhood claimed and you don't fight the perfect fight if you're past your prime. No fighter could do that, not even Hagler.

With Camacho it was different and easy to see he'd become a stationary target which doesn't suit his style well. The prime of Hector Camacho ended after 1987 when he was probably the best fighter in the sport.

I'm not going to pick a winner between Chavez and Camacho but let's just say that a young Camacho would have been the ultimate test and was without doubt the world's best fighter at 130, 135, and judging from what I saw off the Davis fight, 140 as well.

As for comparison between Hector and Ray, lets just Hector put an end to that myth once and for all ending all speculation as well as putting an end to Leonard.

 

Now that I think about it, Leonard was a strong favorite over Camacho.
What a mistake that was. I'm betting you didn't hestitate for a moment bragging how Ray was going to mop the floor with loudmouth Hector.

Did you cry after it was over John? It looked as tho the audience was in tears.

 

You haven't seen the fight, have you?

 

For Ray to be a complete package he would have to be better in several departments.

One department is punching power. Leonard is overrated as a puncher. Hearns, as we all know, doesn't take the best shot in the world, but Leonard, despite hitting Hearns cleanly, couldn't knock his man down or get him out of there. Duran took everything Leonard threw at him with with little to no effect. Duran could take a shot, but he wasn't invincible--and he was a lightweight. DeJesus floored Duran twice and Hearns annihilated the man. Leonard's punches had no effect on Hagler. Marvin walked through Leonard's punching like it was a light breeze. Despite all this, I can still hear commentators talking about Leonard's punching power.

Another department in which Leonard is lacking is defense. Again, the claims that Leonard was a master boxer fall in the face of the record. Hearns had no trouble reaching Ray. In their first fight, he landed almost at will, as Leonard's busted face attests to. Duran had no trouble reaching Leonard in their first fight, either. Several other fights we able to catch Leonard so cleanly they put him on his rump--Howard, Hearns, Norris, even Camacho--even though Leonard's chin was pretty good. Several other fighters wobbled Ray, including lightweight Duran.

Finally, Leonard was lacking offensively. Against both Duran and Hearns he had trouble getting things going. Duran was hitable, but Leonard could barely get any forward momentum going. Most of the time Leonard was against the ropes catching. Leonard looked completely puzzled throughout most of the Hearns fight. Leonard did little offensively against Hagler and Norris, either.

Leonard looks brilliant against second and third tier competition. He looks spectacular knocking out Dave Green. But against the best, Leonard is not the complete package people claim he is. Duran, Hearns, and Hagler all beat him, whether the judges called it that way or not.

 

Was that the one wherein hardly anyone disagreed with the stoppage?