Let's move forward. The rematch will be even better imo. There's a lot of animosity #1 p4p vs #2 p4p

Just re watched the HBO version originally watched the sky sports one, Dayummmm it was a such close ****ing fight! Some of the rounds are so hard to score its dam near impossible unless you watch it in slow motion and count every punch while taking notes LOL

Kov 100% won the first half of the fight, when you include the knock down it just makes it hands down clear as day. But the second half of the fight ward begins to take control like, His punches are much cleaner and accurate and better timed, Lots of kovs punches are missing by inches and thus looking busy and like they might be scoring but are actualy not, kov CLEARLY starts fading and ward begins to get into a rhythm and starts to take over like usain bolt just gave everybody a head start and you end up with a photo finish at the line.

Ward definitely did not rip the titles away from him that's for sure, but at the end of the fight i feel he was certainly the one in control and most dominant

I 100% would love to see the rematch!

 

It’s not as varied as Canelo’s. I really think there’s a misconception about what P4P actually is. And I’m not even claiming that my “definition” is better than yours. To me, Pound 4 Pound isn’t even so much about record, or who you fought, or anything like that. To me those things can justify a high P4P ranking but don’t create it. P4P to me is really like skills and how you carry yourself in the ring.

You may disagree, but when you think Pound 4 Pound, it’s like how naturally skilled are you, how often do you get hit flush throughout a career or in recent fought. These factors result in wins, margin of victory, etc. Roy Jones in his prime was so clearly #1 P4P partly because he was essentially undefeated through 50 bouts, because he was literally untouchable. He was so fast he could tag you and get out of the way, he was so much better than his opposition, we didn’t even know if he had a chin because it was never tested.

Floyd Mayweather was #1 P4P because likewise he didn’t often get hit flush. He was slick, he knew how to hit without being hit. That resulted in wins and an undefeated record, and in his latter years no one could beat him so no one could justify putting someone else ahead of him P4P. But in reality his ability to keep winning towards the end of his career simply maintained his status atop the P4P rankings, but it didn’t create that ranking.

P4P is about Skills. That’s why despite so few fights Lomachenko deserves to be there in the conversation. In my view, (and feel free to disagree) it’s about the consistent ability to hit and not get hit. (factoring in level of opposition) It’s not really about being undefeated, or holding belts.

So when I mentioned that Canelo is MW Lineal Champ, it’s not really a reason (in my view) to be P4P, but I guarantee you the way the majority of boxing fans and boxing writers rank fighters on their P4P list has to do with how many belts they have, whether they are lineal champ, etc. (reasons I don’t think have anything to do with P4P but matter to the people who create these rankings)

At first you may question my P4P criteria, as consistent ability to hit and not get hit flush, to be entertaining in the ring, to have a wide variety of punching repertoire, but truly those attributes result in being undefeated, cleaning out divisions, etc over time. Golovkin is not as naturally skilled as Canelo. He is not as elusive, he has not shown the ability to be as good of a fluid and instinctive counter puncher as Canelo, he has not fought level of competition as Canelo, etc. These are all reasons why I believe Canelo should be higher on the P4P list. That doesn’t mean Golovkin can’t beat Canelo. A head to head matchup is perhaps the ultimate test of superiority, and it’s a fight that could go either way. And if Glolovkin out volumes Canelo but never drops or hurts Canelo and eeks out a decision, I may still have Canelo ahead of Golovkin on the P4P ranking.

Personally I think there are many similarities between Ward vs Kovalev & Canelo vs Golovkin. But if the bout does not produce a clear cut decisive victor, these debates will rage on and on. I think Ward did enough to put himself ahead of Kovalev in the P4P rankings, due to his quality punching how he fought, but it’s certainly debatable as Kovalev did drop Ward early.

There’s no way to know if Glolovkin would have done better than Canelo. It’s really apples to Oranges because Golovkin wouldn’t fight Floyd at 154 let alone 152 !! If Floyd fought Canelo at 154, it could have been a totally different fight. And no, Robert Guerrero did NOT do better than Canelo vs Floyd.

Robert Guerrero got completely schooled by Floyd. He was never in the fight, Canelo vs Floyd was way closer. One was a UD and the other was a Majority decision, and I don’t even care how the judges scored it. I just look at how competitive the fight was visually and how few punchers were landed in Canelo vs Floyd. It’s really no comparison but feel free to disagree.

I’ll agree that Maidana arguably did better in his first fight vs Floyd than Canelo did vs Floyd in that he landed more punches on Floyd. However Floyd landed more significant punchers on Maidana than Floyd landed on Canelo, and of course Canelo was not at 100% due to the catchweight. I don’t think anyone would argue that Floyd saw Maidana as more of a threat to him than Canelo. In fact one of the reasons Floyd rematched Maidana was to avoid a Canelo rematch for obvious reasons.

Canelo was admittedly ultra patient early on vs Khan, and it turned out to be a brilliant tactic, because Khan gassed himself out trying to pile up rounds. Canelo gave away rounds, I’m not even going to argue that Khan didn’t outbox him early on. He did out box Canelo but LETS BE REAL Khan outboxes EVERYONE he fights !!

Khan has an innate ability to win rounds by getting in and out of danger. This is why we wanted to see him take on Floyd in 2015 because he could possibly outbox Floyd and win a decision on him. Why do you think Floyd didn’t want to fight Khan? Because he worried that Khan would win a decision on him and he wouldn’t be able to stop him like other more heavy handed fighters could to Khan.

Khan was outboxing Danny Garcia similarly to how he was outboxing Canelo. It took Canelo longer to time Khan, but the result of figuring out that timing was similar.