Let's not forget that Trout beat Cotto more clearly than Mayweather did

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  1. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Cotto's jab, boxing ability, and bodywork would give Nelo hell

    Nelo's stamina sucks, and his footwork is slow and far from great
     
  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Mayweather vs Cotto was just like Azumah Nelson vs Withaker. It was very competitive and the aggressor was in the fight for almost every round, but still only won a few rounds

    9-3 for Mayweather. I had it 10-2 the first time watching.
     
  3. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    Trout has a difficult style to deal with and is a spoiler...

    And though Cotto is on the back-end of his career and kind of gift-wrapped, Trout did a great job defeating him for whats its worth. That win did legitimize Trout in everyone's head...
     
  4. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    People were laughing at me a few months ago when I said Cotto beats Canelo :yep
     
  5. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    I scored Mayweather-Cotto 8-4 for Floyd and Cotto-Trout 8-4 for Trout. However, many of the rounds in Cotto-Floyd were closer than the rounds in Cotto-Trout. That had less to do with skill levels or styles (Floyd is more skilled than Trout, easily, and would also be more stylistically problematic), and more to do with the fact that Trout was much bigger than Cotto, while Cotto was bigger and stronger than Mayweather. If Trout was the same size as Floyd, Cotto probably beats him.

    Physical attributes, not skills, are the main reason Trout beat Cotto more decisively than Floyd did in my book.

    I said before the fight the main reason I was picking Canelo was because Trout was getting overrated after the Cotto victory, more than because I thought Canelo was a monster. Canelo has since proven himself very skilled though, and Trout proved himself to be the arm-punching volume boxer I said he was, not the slick counterpunching master guys were making Trout to be in the months before this past Saturday.

    Canelo would in fact struggle with a really good counterpuncher, I think; but Trout wasn't that guy. That's why I favored Canelo before the fight.

    Floyd is a bigger challenge for Canelo than Floyd is, if Canelo continues to play the counterpuncher in coming fights as opposed to the stalking he sometimes showcases.
     
  6. MarioBrothers

    MarioBrothers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    trout was robbed against canelo so I don't see OP's point:huh
     
  7. Slickstar

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    Nelo likes to bow back when he heavily sits down on his super power left hook. He's vulnerable when throwing looping shots with his lead hand.

    Don't hook with a hooker, and Cotto got the better hook to the head between the two. Trout could attest to that
     
  8. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    He definitely has stamina problems, and it was very apparent versus a boxer. Unfortunately, Cotto is NOT a boxer. In fact, he's been matched up against guys like Cotto, not like Trout. Good reasons for this.

    He's able to effectively employ his offense in a shorter period of time because it will land and the effects will be very apparent. Trout did a great job turning the fight into a boxing battle of attrition and took him into deep waters.

    I dont think Cotto is comparable to Trout in boxing ability OR footwork. Cotto WILL be there to be hit by the midrounds, even if he ran around in the early rounds.
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Much more than Trout, Cotto would get hurt by Alvarez's shots. And he wouldn't have the slight size advantage Trout had over Alvarez.
     
  10. Slickstar

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    If Cotto isn't a boxer, why does he instinctively react by boxing whenever he's in an emergency and **** is hitting the fan?

    It takes a good box game in order to be able to land a couple of jabs to Floyd's head in the center of the ring.

    Trout had Nelo backing up at points of their fight. Cotto is better at cutting the ring off. If Nelo finds himself pressed on the ropes like Trout had him, Cotto would punish him there.

    Cotto is being underrated because of his last fight. Fleet footed southpaws are bad for him.
     
  11. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    yeah I've been thinking that also. Cotto can feint and be unpredictable with his offense too. Cotto fades in fights, but he doesn't out right just get gassed and huffs for air with with mouth open when he didn't even do anything.

    Plus Cotto can punch and move. Canelo can and he can punch. He can't do both at the same time
    you don't think Cotto can't box and give Canelo angles?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSsgxa02hA
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  12. Slickstar

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    Trout clearly has a below average chin.

    Cotto's chin is far from iron, but it's good at minimum.
     
  13. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    Cotto does have an effective jab, definitely. But that in itself doesnt define the style. A pressure fighter can have that, a puncher can have that. I define Cotto as a Boxer/Puncher, as a classic Puerto Rican style is. Thats why he can switch when he needs to, especially as an egress style, as you mentioned.

    I think Cotto can/will be somewhat effective if he pins Alvarez on the ropes. But that's if and when. You are premising this that he's going to be the Puncher that's pushing forward and pinning Alvarez. Didnt you have him as a boxer anyhow?

    I strongly feel it will be Alvarez that will be dictating control and pushing forward as the Dominant Puncher, as Alvarez adjusts and switches to boxer mode and stay on the outside, using his jab and pivot, trying to not get caught on the ropes. That will last up to the mid rounds. Eventually, he will slow down and start getting caught up, and probably get suckered into an inside firefight, somewhat mitigating Alvarez's power and flipping into Puncher mode with his hook.

    But i see in the mids to late rounds, Alvarez is able to set up shop on Cotto and maintain a certain distance as Cotto's footwork slows down, and start dropping heavy combos on Cotto, eventually stopping him. This has happened consistently versus every fighter who is NOT a top boxer style...
     
  14. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    Well.... if and when this fight happens, and by chance, Cotto does get totally whomped out by Alvarez, im sure all the folks are gonna now kick up that Cotto is way past prime...

    YET, this hasn't been figured in by the folks who seeing Cotto beating Alvarez. Dont you think this IS a valid subject? Or is it Cotto is just that good and should beat Alvarez because of this, that, and the other? If and when Cotto does lose, i dont want to hear this bellyaching and whining, trying to diminish Alvarez's win cuz ya wanna hate on him beating Trout and ya'll lost your stupid avy bet, and say Cotto was already a done turkey.... when you guys have YET TO MENTION THIS!
     
  15. bald_head_slick

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    Cotto's stamina is great? Cotto has fast feet? Cotto fights leaning forward. Canelo is HUGE and his best punch is an explosively fast uppercut.

    Cotto gets stopped. Viciously.