Let's not forget that Trout beat Cotto more clearly than Mayweather did

Yeah, let's give him credit for taking the fight in Texas. Clown.

 

How did you have the fight, Scar??

 

115-113 Trout, close fight though. I thought Trout was more active. How did you have it?

 

I thought Canelo barely nicked it with the KD being the diffrence...114-113, he was landing the cleaner shots IMO.

That 118-109 card was an absolute joke tho.

 

Can't blame you, it definitely is a 50/50 fight. That said, I pretty much knew the judges had the scorecards ready as soon as the venue was carefully selected to be Texas.

 

I dont see where Cotto is such a challenge when you consider he's a conventional fighter who does alot of things well, but nothing great.
At this point in his career you ask yourself.
Is Cotto a murderous puncher?

Is he a fabulous boxer?

Does he cut the ring off well?

Is he slick or elusive?

Does he have exceptional stamina?


The answer to all of these is a resounding hell no.

What the Trout-Canelo fight showed me is that everything Cotto can do at this point, Canelo can do better.

Cotto was having difficulties finding Trout, and when he found him, his punches did'nt faze him.
Canelo's shots were bothersome to Trout, signs Canelo is better suited to 154 lbs than Cotto is.

No way in hell is Canelo walking up the ring ropes as a lightheavyweight going to be bothered my anything that Cotto has to offer.

I look at this matchup and see a major beatdown of Cotto.
The more I think of it, the worse it gets.

The fight I think will happen, and my guess is that almost surely it will be Cotto's last fight of his career.

Hopefully Cotto has invested his money wisely and gets to reek the fruits of his paydays as a professional fighter and does'nt have to stick around to recieve further beatings.

 

Cotto is a very skillful pressure fighter with one of the best jabs in the game (less relevant against a mobile southpaw) who is at least a better pure boxer than Canelo in terms of timing.

Canelo doesn't have to be all that bothered, Trout does not hit harder than Cotto would at close range, it's the feints and prospect of getting hit that makes Canelo tentative. Even in his most seek-and-destroy mode, Canelo often takes a step back and gives his opponent opportunities to regain control of the center.

Canelo is sharper and quicker and heavier-handed, but Cotto's not shot and is a better aggressor than anyone Canelo will have faced. He can be forced back by the likes of Trout, if Cotto can make his way forward, he can have success and exploit Canelo's lack of stamina.

I still favor Canelo because I'd expect him to hurt Cotto or start landing with regularity to the body, but to say Cotto has nothing to offer Canelo is simply wrong as he'd be the most skilled fighter he's faced and probably a harder hitter than the one who just took him to a close decision.

 

I dont agree with any of your main points.


Tell me what you think Cotto does better than Canelo?

Cotto's jab alone is not going to get Canelo beat.
You're overrating Cotto's jab Tazo, you have been for awhile.
Cotto has a good jab, not a great one. He's not Thomas Hearns or even Ike Quartey with the jab.
Imo Cotto's jab is'nt even better than Canelo's at this stage.

Cotto? Is he quicker, faster, stronger, hits harder.......
What does he do better than Canelo that you'd even think he'd compete against Canelo?
Imo he's not even a better boxer than Canelo.
Canelo is more diversified as a boxer. Shoots the jab, hook, and has better power and range with the right hand. His hooks on the inside are better as well.

I'm just not seeing what you're seeing.

 

I'm not overrating Cotto's jab, he doesn't have to be Ike Quartey or Thomas Hearns because within the sport today, fighters like that aren't around to surpass him. Wlad has a comparable jab, and maybe a few others, but he clearly stands out. The sharpness of his jab has scored him knockdowns, it allowed him to be competitive with an ATG it Mayweather, it's a great jab. Everyone knows this.

He's clearly a better boxer than Canelo because he can transition his offense and defense much better. His performances in the Margarito fights show a consistent ability to turn and punch off of those shifts in direction. Against Trout, Canelo had trouble throwing off of the backfoot aside from a few shots at a time. He lacks the experience. To say Canelo is on the same skill level as Cotto right now in terms of pure boxing ability after a narrow victory over Trout would be crazy.

Canelo's stamina and lack of consistency coming forward or backing up is what MIGHT allow someone like Cotto the ability to close the distance, make himself small, using his height to his advantage, and get his shots off before stepping out again. Canelo can fight at both ranges, but Cotto has more experience switching between them.

I don't know why you're not seeing what I'm seeing but it wouldn't be the first time you exaggerate Cotto's supposed lack of prowess while talking up a Mexican opposite him (no offense but it's something I've noticed.)

Again, I favor Canelo.

 

Vlad has major height and reach which makes his jab a difference maker, Cotto does'nt have a reach advantage on Canelo. I think Canelo gets off quicker and better in a battle of the jabs.

You're set that Cotto was competitive vs Mayweather, I had it 10-2 Mayweather, not competitive imo.
Cotto was'nt even stronger than Mayweather at 154 lbs.

If you knock Canelo's stamina which might be a question mark, certainly Cotto is'nt one to point to be able to take advantage of a fighters lack of Stamina. Cotto more than Canelo has a history of folding down the stretch of fights.


I know you favor Canelo my friend, but I'm dead set on knocking your reasons for even giving Cotto a chance here.:good

 

I can see that.

Cotto compensates is lack of height by stepping hard into his left jab, it was how he was able to reach the taller longer Floyd. You do have a point in the battle of jabs, if Canelo makes it a point to jab with the jabber then Cotto would be at an even bigger disadvantage. But thus far Canelo doesn't seem to have the mentality of someone willing to take one to give a better one, as evidenced by his tendency to jump back from feints very often. I simply think Canelo's mentality isn't mature enough yet to be a destructive pressure fighter, so walking through Cotto easily is not something I envision. He could have out-muscled Trout and closed the distance but it wasn't his preferred strategy. It was smart to neutralize Trout's aggression, but indicative of a lack of commitment to an offensive (or complete defensive) style. He's very versatile for his age, but not yet complete in either area. I do look forward to seeing him improve and solidify his in-ring identity.

 

C'mon Tazo, Cotto's jab was not working consistent vs Mayweather.
Sure he placed a few good strong jabs on Mayweather, but its not like he was able to step inside Mayweather's reach and pump that jab at his say so.

I dont think Canelo will attempt to bully Cotto and take it to him early.
I think he'll test his boxing skills before he's ready to take it to the inside.
He did that vs Mosley. Canelo is not a fast starter.

I believe not pressuring Cotto early actually works in Canelo's favor.
To have any kind of chance, Cotto would have to make Canelo walk into not only his jab, but his powershots, and I dont see that happening.

I think Canelo's quickness and speed along with his reach advantage has him outjabbing and outboxing Cotto early. The pace of the early going being slow, then upon stunning Cotto a few times during the mid rounds, Canelo senses his opportunity and takes the fight to another tempo and wears down and stops Cotto likely before the late rounds arrive.

At least thats how I see it.

I agree that Canelo still is learning as he goes, he's certainly not the destructive force he has the potential of being just yet.

 

I had Trout beating Cotto by 2 points, i think Trout closed the show in the championship rounds, before that it was any mans fight to win.
Mayweather lost 4 rounds max to Cotto and hurt him on a couple of occasions. Cotto didn't have much respect for Trouts power. Trout was also buckled a couple of times.

 

No he didn't,Cotto had him hurt a few times,and Cotto brought the fight to Mayweather where as with Trout,seemed to box more than be in full tactical aggresion mode..