Let's put an end to "21st century" heavyweight size obsession.

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  1. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Even Izu is actually 6ft 5 he's definitely taller than parker who's 6ft 4
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Wlad himself is a poor example of being tall being dominant. Hes arguably the weakest H2H long term champion in history.
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    interestingly they've only come into the foreground WHEN fight lengths were dropped from 15 to 12 rounds at the top of bills.

    Now, we can also see that when fights were longer, SHWs blatantly and clearly NEVER dominated.

    In fact rather than showing us that SHWs dominate the HW scene regardless, it shows us that SHWs ONLY DOMINATE WHERN GIVEN LEEWAY IN FIGHT LENGTH and thus CONDITIONING.

    Its quite arguable that they need this leeway to thrive, and in normal fight conditions (15 rounds) they sink into obscurity. SHWs cannot dominate in traditional fight conditions, only in a micro-environment subset of boxing.
     
  4. ki_ote

    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh, other than Lewis and the K brothers. Lol.
    Carnera was a big blob, these big guys now a days have much more athleticism. Fact.
     
  5. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "traditional fight conditions"??

    Perhaps we should go back to unlimited rounds, ditch the gloves and enforce a mandatory handlebar moustache rule???
     
  6. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The original post referring to the K bros as bums drained all credibility out of his post


    I won't defend Wlad because he has to win the rematch in order to redeem himself


    but I will defend Vitali; a supreme heavy for ANY era. World class talent who has never been behind on the cards, knocked down, and was still dominating everyone he fought when he retired
     
  7. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vitali quit on his stool in a fight he was winning. An ATG does not quit on his stool.

    Vitali was stopped by the best fighter he faced in Lewis. An unprepared Lewis.
     
  8. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You might have a point but I think Tyson Fury is a bit of a freak. Kind of like Rid**** Bowe who could fight on the inside. Most big men can't though. I don't think Lewis was good on the inside or Wlad Klitschko.

    Smaller heavyweights could still do very well even in the super-sized era we have today. Povetkin has done well and I think a prime Holyfield would give some of these guys all kinds of problems because he was skilled and tough. Same for Mike Tyson, who had explosive speed and power. Size isn't everything.
     
  9. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    The only dominant super HW of the last 20 years is Wladimir. Neither Vitali nor Lewis deserve to be branded as such.
     
  10. bdd123

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    I've always said the smaller hw were the best. Holyfield on his good night could beat Lewis. But his stamina was inconsistent. Being a bodybuilder I know certain steroids **** with your wind. But all the really great hw imo have been under 220
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Evan Fields doesn't count.
     
  12. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very true
     
  13. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    More than average size is an asset by anyone standards ;that just makes basic sense

    if you can use excessive size/reach to your advantage and keep your opponent at bay where he cannot reach you (as LewisVitali and Vladimir have done so successfully for a decade each)... even the stupidest idiot has acknowlwdge that size is an ---advantage---, all other things being equal

    Years ago the tall fighters were awkward and uncoordinated and Easley toppled over..... but that's no longer the case..... the super sized fighters today are also skilled and big and very hard for an average size heavyweight to contend with as has been proven repeatedly over the last two decades

    This post is really meant to be comedy, right?
     
  14. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    as the song goes: "It ain't the mean, it's the motion".
     
  15. If you read the original post and have an IQ anywhere upwards of that of a cement brick. You will see that I said the Klits dominated in an era of horrible heavyweights.... there were no fighters even remotely like Mike Tyson, Joe Louis, Holyfield, Ali, Frazier, all of these aforementioned fighters would have killed either Klit in their prime and they are well below 6'5. Lewis, was not a dominating champion, he split his reign with Holyfield and a washed up Tyson along with a number of good small heavyweights that knocked Lewis out like Rahman for example. So in the last 20 years, only 10 years were dominated by the taller than 6' 5 bums Klit Bros who were mediocre and one dimensional at best. Their competition was Tony Thompson (2x for crissakes) and Calvin Brock.... LOL

    Mark my words a fighter like Oscar Rivas will annihilate a fighter like Fury. And I actually like Fury. But size can only bring you so far. There are shorter fighters coming in now that will destroy the taller ones. Mark my words.