Let's rate our favorite fighter based on these specs

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by MMJoe, Jun 3, 2013.


  1. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I found this article interesting, (me thinks it is done by Klitschko nutthugger, still). I like out of-the-box thinking; someone may think SSR isn't best P4P and gives reasons why for instance. This article, though not convincing me that Earnie is "feather fisted". Perhaps there is reason to believe he may not belong in the 10 ten hitters of all time list.

    OK, this thread isn't about Earnie, it's about using the critera below to rate one of your favorite fighters. Give me a while I'll be back.



    http://www.heavyweightblog.com/2318/earnie-shavers-power-puncher-or-overrated-featherfist

    Earnie Shavers, the cherry-picker
    Shavers had approx. 90 fights (that's a lot).

    But when you check whether he is a genuine KO'er or a cherry-picker (like Sonny Liston by the way, whose KO'power is also grossly overrated by good-old-time fetishists) then the following turns out:
    • If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before
    • and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers)
    it turns out that Shavers
    • KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs)
    • of which 8 guys were bums[?] (like •Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or •Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs)
    • and only 2 were somewhat good: •Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and •Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).
    THAT's Shavers' KO record in a nutshell.
    For a guy with 90+ wins this is disappointing.
     
  2. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is ****ing hard to do!

    Alexis Arguello - title fights only (too much work for entire record, **** that)

    19-3 and 17 Ko's over all

    15 "cherry-picked" fights (per specs above)
    7 "good opponents" (per specs above)

    Championship record vs cherrys

    14-1 13 Ko's (against opponents w/total of 32 KO losses before hand)

    Championship record vs good fighters

    5-2 4 Ko's


    I can see how the criteria may be flawed as 19-14-2 Arturo Leon falls into good opponent category and Jim Watt falls into cherry-picked category.
     
  3. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK, I agree, that sucked. :patsch