Let's remind ourselves that David Diaz is nothing special.

David Diaz may not be considered a special fighter but he is now the former WBC lightweight champion courtesy of a beatdown at the hands of Manny Pacquiao, who is THE current WBC lightweight champion.

 

Then obviously going down to 130 was no problem or he wouldnt have felt confident in beating JMM(i had JMM winning). I dont think Pac is better at 135 and we will see this when he fights campbell, j. diaz, or JMM. Pac's power looks to have diminished at this weight and I see someone like Diaz taking one or two to give three or four to pac. I dont think pac can take the punches of a diaz even though diaz isnt a heavy hitter. If pac fights hatton it show pac feels the same way as he will be cashing out as there is no way in bloody hell pac beats hatton.

 

ok i didn't know about that story so you don't have to call me nonsense with that, but for me if i was pac i will have to choose 130 since it makes more sense with having the belt, plus the lineal on the line. I mean if they ever fight at 135 before there is nothing at stake.

 

i seriously doubt this..casa is a shot and faded fighter, and i heard his age was really more older than what the record says. JMM will have a more easy time than pac.

Prime for prime though, casa would KO the smaller jmm

 

Before the JMM-Pac rematch was made and signed, and it looked like Pac would fight Diaz first instead.....

......Some of you might remember this, when JMM let it be known to everyone after Pac's excuses that he could no longer make 130 lbs, that he would fight Pac at 135 lbs, I actually predicted way back then that if the fight did get made, Freddie Roach would not be dumb enough to sign the fight at 135 lbs.

.....usually the puncher is the one that risks losing the power in his shots by moving up in weight, the boxer never loses his skill.
My thinking and surely Roach's is that surely JMM's skills were not going to leave him moving up in weight......but there was a chance that Pacquiao's power (which was his major advantage) would not be the same at 135 lbs....thus at 135 lbs advantage JMM, I knew it, and since Roach chose 130 lbs, he surely knew it.

.....and friends, Bob Arum in his most recent comments of JMM, is adamant that JMM is'nt in Pac's near future, so surely Bob Arum who has seen alot of fighters come and go, surely knows that JMM has Pac's number, and that at 135 lbs the advantage increases for JMM!:deal

 

divac don't own us because we don't have to contemplate on something we would cry or sourgrape over, like you and your boyfriend, divac do after 3 month's and you still can't move on..fact is we have the w on the record and it stays there fixed, nothing both you, divac or what you call "the consensus of boxing fans all over the world up to the middle earth" can do anything about it.
first of all, all of us can play judges all we want, or rant all we want, but the judges still hold the last say on every bout. give pac credit and it won't make you look stupid. pac is important to the sport, much as your condom for every hoe you ****.
second we can say the same thing about your boy jmm: did'nt he escaped with a controversy too in the draw of the first fight? we can also make the opposite case of argument about the second fight: that pac won that fight with jmm simply because of the kd. imo he only needs 5 rnds to do that! did jmm did enough for him to win? apparently no. all he did was run away from pac instead of pushing the fight on him like any champion supposed to do.did pac did enough for him to win? no but that kd saved his ass: simple as that hombre. plus can i add that clearly jmm's workrate was down in the final 2 rounds imo, perhaps of the shot he took at the tenth and pac's workrate was a tid bit added a notch higher as he was pushing jmm to a brawl, perhaps sensing that he's behind.no clean shots was made by jmm that could have stalled pac on that barrage, a shot that could have stunned him off after that tenth rnd. gladly tell me the minute where jmm bolted pac's head off at anytime in that tenth to twelfth and if there is i would surely rest my case! and i don't know about you but another poster agreed with me then that pac also showed good defense by blocking some shots from jmm. now if that was what the judges saw too would i be crucified by the consensus of boxing fans who stated it a win for jmm by saying so?

 

We will see.

Though personally I don't think his power did not diminish much. Diaz was still a VERY tough fighter despite the KD he recieved from Morales. And for Pac to snap back his head MANY times in the fight(hell even a Pac jab snapped Diaz head once or twice in the fight), then ultimately knock Diaz out COLD. So he's power is still there and its still trouble for anyone. And he's speed did not diminish at all. So its still virtually the same Pac when he was at SFW, but more comfortable.

I do feel that Pac is more comfortable at 135 than at 130. Pac did indeed had trouble going down at 130(it was explicitly said many times in the 2nd Barerra fight). Plus have you seen Pac perform this exceptionally well against anyone at SFW? even against fighters like Larios and Hernandez(who, by all accounts, he should've dominated)?

And yes, I agree with you about Hatton vs Pac. Hatton would still beat him. Pac needs to have more fights at LW before he ever thinks of fighting Hatton.

 

interesting. And here i was all this time thinking Pac wanted JMM's shiny green belt

....yeh very convincing arguement. Someone also once told me that wrestling was real...

 

you haven't seen jmm fight yet as a 135-lber and now you're saying that jmm has an advantage vs. pac @135. :-( it is also clear that you still haven't watched pac's first fight @135 either.

guess what. pac has his speed back at 135 and still retains his vaunted power. he also has better balance now, a much improved defense and an offensive arsenal with every punch in the book thrown with both hands.

jmm clearly has lost some of his speed, power and reflexes going up to 130. he hasn't kO'd any of his opponents and with his slowing reflexes and speed has become more hittable at this weight. both pac and mab managed to floor him again and he wasn't able to KO a gatekeeper in juarez. this means jmm can again probably lose some of speed, reflexes and power going up to 135. therefore, let's see what happens first in the casa fight before you can draw your own conclusions on how he matches up w/ pac @135. pac has already proven he can handle the bigger guys @135 while jmm still hasn't. :deal

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl\

This post is funny. Pac was already tipping the scales at 145+ when he fought Marquez. JMM was above 135 I believe as well. There wont be much of a difference in a third fight except JMM wont get KD and hopefully the judges dont rob him again!:yep

 

The problem with your logic is that Pac is at 135 now and is still virtually as good as he was when he was at SFW, if not better. His power is still there and CERTAINLY his speed is still there.Honestly just think about what your saying for a second. If Roach was not confident that Pac would still have power at 135, then why is Pac at 135 right now? And as you said, Pac was already set to go up to LW even BEFORE his 2nd fight with JMM, so why would he go up to LW if Roach is not confident about the power Pac would bring at that weight? Think about that for a second because it seems your confusing things up.

So that's a pretty weak reasoning and is bordering on contradictory. Again, there was no other reason for Pac to pick 130 but only for the belts. He had NOTHING to gain at 135lbs, even though he's gotten more comfortable there. Pac is not all about money, for your information.

 

no. the difference is that pac didn't have to be weight-drained to make weigh @135. that's why he has his speed, stamina, volume punching and sharp combos back while still retaining his vaunted power. pac already said that he feels stronger at this weight. pac will not only KD jmm again @135, he may probably KO him this time.

 

..and that's exactly why I'm not replying yet...lol

 

And the difference in competition had nothing to do with why you think pac is better at 135 than 130?:rofl

It was david ****in diaz, he was there to be hit. If pac had fought a fighter the level of diaz at 130 he would have owned him worse at 130. Besides, before the JMM rematch you and all the rest of the pac fans were saying pac had no trouble making weight. :yep

Whatever, JMM wins easier at 135 than when he beat pac at 130:deal

 

no. pac won a very close fight and you have to live with that. :bart

let's see how jmm does first against casa. everything you're saying now is just pure conjecture and lip service.