Let's remind ourselves that David Diaz is nothing special.

Obviously if the skill or your oppostion drops from great to below average, you're going to look like the second coming of Ray Robinson......however, I wont continue to beat a dead horse, if you cant comprehend this logic then more power to you as a bonafide *******!

The fact that you cant grasp this level of opposition logic, is really sad if you consider yourself a boxing fan!

 

1.that was no excuse. after the second pac-mab, pac was already targetting david for the 135. pnds. before jmm came in to the picture. before he took on mab at fight night pac was horribly out of shape that he have to cover himself in a sheet just to dehydrate and make the weight.(i know there is video of that in youtube) that's an indication that during that time, before the jmm-pac was even announced, pac was having a hard time in 130 pnds! but right now in the david fight,make no mistake about it, i saw that in his training before the weigh-in he could actually eat a meal, a thing that he can't do when he was 130 pnds. which he admitted in an interview here locally! 135 is his home now and he expressed that he is asbolutely comfortable here that he don't have to go to hell just to cut weight! he belongs here and i could not have said it more. plus, pac and arum just gave us what we want, pac is a warrior and does not pick who he should fight, as shown in his resume. if not: why would arum allow pac fight hatton in the future or jmm for the second time even if it is risky?. he gave us pac-jmm 2 just like what we wanted divac amidst pac's weight problems and jmm being a risky fighter and for that i gave pros to arum and to pac team! something that surely you won't do even that fight was made..:huh 2.divac,as for boxing skills, then check the fight of pac and david and the articles or threads about pac being a complete fighter right now. have you seen the fight? might be good for your knowledge if you'll see it. pac, even if you labelled david as a bum and a mismatch for pac like i know you and your fiances would, showed great boxing skills and perhaps pac's greatest performance a boxer in all of his elastrous career.. you don't have to be a pacfan to acknowledge what he has done if you've only seen it. it is not a mismatch like you and your girlfriends would say but a boxing brilliance imo and the other boxing writer's opinions have written. you say that a puncher's chance in moving weight dwindles down and boxing skills just stays, but boxing skills can also be learned just like what roach have honed pac to be. watch the fight and you would know what i mean. you may label this as pure nuthuggery at it's best but never in my life have i saw pac at his best last night ( here in the phi) so label me all the **** that you want though in my heart, weather i'm seaking as a fan or not, i ain't lying, hombre!
3. hatton is off schedule this year. my guess is pac is waiting in the sidelines on who they would choose. pac ai'nt afraid of jmm and neither do i. on what pac showed on david i think it is you: divac who should be afraid!

plus the thing you should worry now is not what happened 3 months ago. what you should worry is: if you would eat your own words that "jmm would beat the shot casa easily." if that won't happen don't cry again repetetively about pac-jmm 2 seriously my eyes is bleeding in seeing posts popping about that over and over again. give up the ghost man!

 

im afraid i don't agree at all, that casa would be easy pickings for jmm and that's my opinion(i hope you respect that).

However, since you're so confident that jmm will win over a shot casa who, in your assessment and given his current state, is more than twice the fighter that David Diaz is, i'm curious to know how jmm will win their upcoming fight? Would it via stoppage Ko/Tko middle, late or early stages or via wide/close ud or sd? Indulge me please...

 

.....you know, it you really read into this post. From the excuses he's making....... Its written all over that this is a post that is coming from a Pac fan that knows deep down that Pac lost to JMM.

.....I mean look at that post, let me quote....."that's why he has his speed, stamina, volume punching and sharp combos back while still retaining his vaunted power."

.......this is from a poster that knows that all those things were neutralized by JMM......suddenly Pac found them against a limited slow as mollases fighter in Diaz....and Chert has to make himself feel better by blaming Pac's performance against JMM to the weight!:nut


Let it all out Chert, the truth is now setting you free. There is no shame to seeing the light!
Pretty soon, all the pieces will come together and you'll see the big picture!:yep

 

it's not cashing out reed. remember this: pac was not the same pac he was before. if he ever beats nate which i'm sure he will, would that change your mind? pac too imo would beat feather fisted juan. i base all of this because of what pac showed in the david diaz fight. pac is not one-dimensional anymore i dare say. i'm surprised you don't give him even a fighting chance against the 135' ders you mentioned. i say he beats all of them and the only one that can give him a good fight perhaps is joan. you can choose to laugh at this but admit it: even if you say david is a level-d or c "paper champ" ,(though he is a champion, and a former olympian who once beat zab in the amateur) pac showed something that made my jaw dropped. HE AIN'T THE SAME PAC YOU AND THE OTHER HATERS ONCE THROWED CRITICISM FOR BEING ONE DIMENSIONAL ANYMORE!

 

chert is right, d. pac was having a hard time in weight at 130 pnds before. he did make weight, what can you expect from pac's discipline he simply is a monster in training and draining just to give fans what they wanted, however he was 148 nds during fight night at jmm-pac 2 which made pac move slower.
roach fixed this during the david fight d. pac trained to heighten his speed, and footwork which is no secret anymore, but also he came in as 145 pnds during fightnight, so pac was'nt sluggish last night. please don't say that jmm would again negate what pac did last night? pac followed gameplan which he did not during jmm-pac2 and pac is simply perhaps now at his best right now, technically speaking imo..

 

just ask yourself these questions. if you're a fighter and your fighting weight is 146-147, what weight limit is easier for you to make? 135 or 130? at what weight limit will you feel stronger and fresher re-hydrating back to your fighting weight? it's as simple as that. :deal

 

c, quit making divac look stupid please. remember we have the bragging rights and on what pac showed last time to david, reality check, divac: do you really think jmm would win this time against pac where he is:
1. absoulutely comfy at 135 pnds.
2. great boxing skills in offense and defense.

divac, i dare say and i hope jmm gets through casa, that he won't have a chance against pac on what he had showed last time on diaz.

sorry, chert: have to get my message across...it seems they don't have ears..no i mean eyes..

 

We disagree of course, but props to you my ESB friend, for writing with the passion that you did, as blind as it may have been.

I do feel your energy my friend, and feel you believe every word of it.

Just sit back and meditate on the situation however.....there is'nt anybody with any sense that felt that Diaz would even be competitive vs Pac.
I saw the fight this afternoon, and Pac displayed great versatility in there vs Diaz. Pac was hitting Diaz with everything but the kitchen sink, popping the jab, moving to his laterals after delivering. He looked like a cross between Ali and Marvin Hagler, but then you sit back and realize who he's doing it against.

I saw Pac do the same in the MAB rematch where Pac showed patience and exellent boxing skills. He was beating MAB with quickness, speed and skill......but then again, you say to yourself, ah, MAB was'nt there to win, he was there to make it to the finish line. He was there to survive. MAB even said so after the fight, "I proved those who said that Pac would destroy me, that I could go the distance with him.
....I mean, thats all I needed to know of MAB's mindset for that fight.

......and then you ask yourself, Pac showed superior skills vs MAB and again vs Diaz, but why in the heck not inbetween vs JMM????
Is'nt it obvious, that whether you think Pac won or lost, that the difference was in JMM versatility and level of skill, and thus the reason why Pac did'nt shine as he did vs the lesser MAB and David Diaz!

I'm just calling on my fellow ESB members who love Pacquiao (absolutely no shame in that, its great) to realize that any fighter in any level will shine brighter and look better if the caliber of his oppostion drops.

Pacquiao looked great vs David Diaz, but if you're a Pac fan, like I'm a JMM fan, lets be honest with ourselves and rate these shellakings accordingly.
Pacquiao did not get better because he climbed to 135 lbs, he looked better because the caliber of his opposition dropped.

Having said that, Manny Pacquiao did what he was supposed to do against David Diaz, and that was look great while providing an entertaining beatdown of a game, but much lesser fighter.
He did'nt get better, and he did'nt get worse, he just fought a great fight and entertained us like Manny Pacquiao will usually do!

Great job, and great finish by Manny Pacquiao!:bbb

 

God bless the blind!:yep

Bless them dear Lord!

 

Wow,divac your hair is rising in your skin don't you think?
I can't agree with you that the boxing brilliance pac showed in mab-pac 2 and in pac-david is the same.. it's absolutely different.
Why? Count how many right hooks he delivered in the david-pac fight. How many did you seen in pac-mab 2? Did you see lateral movement from side to side in recent years from pac? I'snt that pac's problem that's why he's labeled 1-dimensional:" absence of lateral movement particulary from side to side? Absence of a gameplan? Predictability of the left str8? This things are not present last time hombre. I believe it happened in the wrong time for ac: not on the level of opposition. Imo, he can do those things too against jmm! He just blossomed to be what he showed d. It's not on the level of opposition but on the application and the right time of peaking.
We can't agree on that terms so we might as well leave at that. You're a true sports man d, you're welcome in the pacnation if ever jmm retires. I hope you feel the same passion i have for pac as a fan, and i believed that you did have that passion when you watched pac's rilliance in the davidpac fight.

 

You've got a lot to learn still mt.......

How can I get it through to you??

I'll try.....

Look at how good Arturo Gatti looked when he used laterals and boxed Mickey Ward.......Gatti actually looked multi-dimensional, and quite fast in comparison to the slower Ward.....

.....then you put Gatti against Mayweather Jr. and he looks like he's never even been in a ring in his life.

Its the difference between the level of opposition. Particularly when your opponent is that much slower than you are.

D. Diaz is'nt just slow, he's mollases slow.......I though an aging Morales was slow until I saw what real slow was in David Diaz.......

.....at least, Morales is slow but still fights with some skill.....Diaz is slow with little skill to speak of.
Of course mt, a top flight fighter like Pacquiao will do anything he wants in the ring with him.

Diaz is the type of fighter that will make an elite like Pac or JMM look greater than they really are.

When I saw the Pac-Diaz fight this afternoon, Jim Lampley said something that rang so true, something to the effect of Pac exhibiting a brilliant display of boxing......then Lampley caught himself....he then said something to the effect....."Imagine how great the skills of JMM are, despite 4 knockdowns, really won most of the rounds vs Manny.

Think about it, many times Lampley has gone over the edge of nuthuggery, but even he realized that yes, it was David Diaz who Pac was boxing the pants off, and he caught himself and realized that Pac is'nt really the best boxer out there.
Lampley praised Pac, but at least this time was professional enough to admit that Pac is'nt on the elite level in terms of his boxing craft is concerned.

Beware and dont overexcite yourselves that Pac was throwing more right hands, and varying the angles and repertoire of his attack, you've got to realize that David Diaz is so far from the elite of the sport, and take the good skills Pac showed accordingly.

Applaud Pac, but dont overrate his boxing skills and call them newfound until he's done it against an elite fighter at the top of his game.

 

Pac did use a whole lot of variety of punches and movements we failed to see him do at 130, such as the right hooks and his lateral movement in the fight against Diaz.. Watch the fight again and you'll see what he did that he didn't in a lot of fights under 135..

 

Yeah, you'd think he would be able to do the same thing to fighters like Larios and Solis, but he didn't.

But when he faced the bigger, tougher and stronger Diaz he did those things beautifully.

Just because Pac was immaculate against Diaz and was not so immaculate against Marquez does not necessarily mean that Pac didn't improve. Last time I checked JMM wasn't the only one Pac fought at 130.

 

divac,

for the sake of arguement that david is not special..
there is something I special about pac that you can't argue about wether you like it or not. Let me ennumerate

1) voted fighter of the year by ring magazine
2) voted #2 p4p then voted # 1 p4p when pbf retired
3) more popular in terms of base fans in their respective countries
4) one of the most sought after boxer today
5) have better RESUME than jmm
(infact, MAB and Morales resume is way above JMM)
6) gets more $$$ every fight than jmm
7) defenitely more EXCITING to WATCH that JMM!*
*feel free to make a thread asking who is more exciting to watch if you don't believe me! pac or jmm
8) has 1-0-1 record against JMM officially
9) being considered in the ATG of Asian boxer - might end up #1, 2 or 3 at least!!!
(while JMM is not even chosen as the top 5 or 10 ATG of MEXICO)
10) have higher percetage in KO ratio
11) Almost always, gives his opponent their BIGGEST paycheck of their career!
12) they have one common dinaminator MAB -
in ALL HONESTY who had more dominant win over mab? It's no brainer that pac's win over mab was more dominant than jmm's win over mab


Like I said, for the sake of arguement Diaz is nothing special.
Among the 12 items I mentioned above PLEASE tell me which is not true?


In other words, yes your boy JMM is technically gifted. But at the end of the day who can argue that what I mentioned is not true!

Too bad JMM fanbs ! I'm not in DREAMLAND. Reality BITES! :good