Let's say nothing was in the bottle in the first Pryor-Arguello match...

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    Very true. Even in the day Arguello fought Pryor the new Junior divisions made the accomplishment almost null and void, to be honest. Alexis would have had two Junior titles. Later Hearns won the 175 title for his third then stepped back to claim the 160 for his fourth, but he still had one Junior division in there. Arguello tho did go thru the best in each division. One shudders to imagine what the old timers would have achieved with these junior divisions, let alone the 10 000 title belts on offer present day and extra divisions AGAIN.

    Armstrong would have likely had Feather, Junior Light, Light, Junior Welter, Welter and quite possibly Junior Middle given he almost nabbed the 160. SRR would have won a shitload, as well as various other fighters.

    It'll never happen but wouldn't it be nice to have one champ or at most two per divisions with the champs forced to be active so deserving challengers get their rotation. All these titles and divisions sure as hell don't help boxing.
     
  2. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The black bottle was given to Pryor twice that's on film, after the 2nd round and again after the 13th.

    Most people speculate that if a drug was in the bottle, it would've been speed.

    I believe there actually was a urine test after the fight, but the local commission somehow "lost" the result.
     
  3. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    If he took some sort of drug before the fight, or after the 2nd round as My2Sense states, it would have a chance to be in his system in the later rounds. I doubt any kind of drug ingested orally could have an effect fast enough to be beneficial if he took it after the 13th round. Only Popeye's spinach, snorting, shooting up, or maybe booty bumping could get there that fast. Actually, I don't think snorting or booty bumping would either.

    That's not to say it wouldn't if he took it before the fight, and after the 2nd round. What ever he took after the 13th provided little more than minimal re hydration and confidence.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    It may have also been an insurance for rounds 14 and 15, by which time it may have well been taking effect. Who knows.
     
  5. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Believe me,oral speed is almost instantaneous in the right dose and makes you feel as strong as an ox whilst totally taking away your tiredness....
     
  6. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There better question would be What if Pryor-Arguello had happened at 135? Then Arguello would have had the little extra" Juice" in HIS tank. IMO, Arguello would have had that little extra Pop in his punch & a little better stamina to edge Pryor.
     
  7. ThinBlack

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    Pryor still would've won late, give or take a round, if there was truly nothing in the bottle.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    I don't see enough evidence to conclude their was a ped in the drink.

    Is it suspicious? Sure it is. But condemning based on suspicion is something I try not to partake in.

    P.s. Duodenum, that's a glorious summary of alexis's greatness. Combine that with how good he looks on film and the resume he amassed and there's a genuine argument about alexis being an elite atg.
     
  9. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Arguello by TKO. had he got to pryor earlier in the lower weights he would've stopped him.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    A match at lw would have been very close to call.
     
  11. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The facts are these and indisputable...

    Something besides WATER was in the bottle. I don't care if it was coffee or a vitamin C drink or sperm... Something besides was in there...

    Second, his trainer was Panama Lewis.. Need I say more?

    Lastly, ANYTHING besides water is Illegal... Thus making what he took illegal.
     
  12. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I never thought much about it. It anything it was sugar water or something like that, which would only give him a little energy boost, but nothing big. I think he might have stopped him in 15 instead of 14.. But giving him a little boost in a long fight at the beginning of a round does help a little to get his momentum. But it would only help him a little.
     
  14. Shake

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    Such a shame that such a beautiful fight was tainted. What if Pryor was on peds from the beginning, indeed? How could he not be, with this mountain of circumstantial evidence?

    Pryor was incredibly good that night, and thus is how I find it. Incredible.
     
  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have a question for you... Do you believe what was in the bottle was just water and only water? If not, isn't the word illegal spot on?