Lets say your life was ON THE LINE

Prime Tyson Fury (he isnt even in his prime yet :hey)

 

There is NO blueprint to beating Tyson Fury. 20 have tried, 20 came up short.

 

Is it too late to change my vote to SNV?

 

Rocky Marciano. His concrete fists will bust anyone up.

 

a lot of people are picking fighters who lost in their prime.

 

Luis Ortiz baby

 

I would say "Lennox Lewis" without a moment's hesitation :deal

 

Prime Wladimir Klitschko.
Big, athletic, fast, powerful, and he doesn't even has chins problems like someone likes to think.
Plus, mentally he's probably the thoughest, once he enter the ring he's no more the good guy chess player donating moneys to no profit organisations.

 

Good call.
But i'll agree when i will see him holding some belts; as of now, too many thinks can happen to him, he's still only a prospect.

 

Only a complete and utter ****ing moron with the IQ of a god damn chimp will put his life in the hands of Wladimir's ****ing chin. In your heart you know it too. You know you won't put your life on the line in the hands of Wladimir.
You know it too. You just pick Wlad because nobody else did and you want to stick up for your God.

 

Are we talking the best versions of every fighter?
Lewis only lost because he under estimated Rahman and he was past prime. It was a lucky punch too, Rahman was throwing wildly and randomly connected. Lewis destroyed him in the rematch.

We are taking the best version of every fighter yes? Fully motivated?
It's Lewis.


Lennox Lewis Chin:



The sheer amount of big punchers Lennox fought during his career is
mind bloggingly impressive.



Prime Razer Ruddock- Inventor of the smash, a punch that can kill. Ducked by everyone in his division other then Tyson. Took Tyson to the deep end.

Prime Tommy Morrison- Mr KO Artist.

Prime Andrew Golota

Prime Shannon Briggs

Fought a semi Prime Gary Mason as a 15 fight novice. Basically a kid version of Lewis fought this huge puncher who had a 99%+ KO Ratio.

Frank Bruno

Close to Prime David Tua

Prime Michael Grant

PRIME Dr IRON FIST himself. Mr SUPER KO Artist. Vitali the KO Artist KOitschko.

Prime Rahman (knocked him out 2nd fight)


and last of all Past Prime Mike Tyson.

But get this. Tyson's ONE PUNCH KO Power was actually MUCH more devastating as he got older and thicker. Yes, Mike was shot, and yes Mike was slow after R1. BUT power is what guys?

Power is what? POWER IS THE LAST THING TO GO. Always. Tyson still had his amazing one punch KO Power. So he still counted as a massive puncher.

Anyways list one HW Champion that beat as many big punchers as Lennox.

 

Lewis vs Ali
In regards to Lewis vs the great one ALI.

Can Lewis out box Ali?
Lewis was a very good outside fighter. He got a good left hook, did well in combination bursts and had a massive right hand. His balance is something that people over look as well. For someone that’s 6’5’6’6 240+, he got great balance for such a super heavyweight. His jab against a fast footed killer will be a very deadly weapon and add in his variety of punches, he was very good technically. All these points indicate Lennox had a real chance of out boxing Ali should Ali attempt to keep this a tactical fight.
Ali got blinding hand speed and great foot works. His punches weren’t the hardest, and I seriously doubt he can hurt a fully focused Lewis. Rahman and Mccall caught him unaware and at a time he was seriously lacking in focus. In h2h match ups you take the best versions. The best versions of LL would have been able to absorb any Ali punches, he fought a very long line of huge punchers from the early 90’s all the way up to the early 2000’s. Mason-Ruddock-Morrison-Briggs-Golota-Bruno-Tua-Grant-Vitali, not one was able to floor him.

What would most likely have happened
Ali got great recovering powers, he is capable of being caught though. What we do know is Lewis have definitely fought numerous punchers that hit harder then Ali, but Ali had fought only 2 fighters who ‘might’ hit harder then Lewis. Weather or not Foreman and Shavers hit harder then LL is up for serious debate. People forget that Ali is honestly fundamentally flawed on defense and used his superior reflexes along with speed to get him out of trouble. Lennox will eventually catch him with a thundering right hand the likes of that Ali never ever felt before and knock him out late.

 

Lewis vs Tyson

Tyson was often troubled by super heavies. Even during his prime, he became easily frustrated when fighting tall HW'S.
Tyson did have freakish reflexes speed and his bob-weave style would create a difficult fight for Lewis.
Lennox in his prime though was 243-245, 6'5 and had massive strength. He will use his superior size and strength to smother Mike and take away a lot of Mike's primary weapons.
Tyson's style, was perfectly suited for Lewis. If the Lewis jab can keep Tyson at bay, it's a wide UD, with big right hands in between.
If Tyson slips inside which he is prone to do during his prime, Lewis can use that right upper cut or tie him./lean on him. Lewis's superior strength will make it really really difficult for Tyson to get any sort of inside work going and he definitely won't allow Tyson to push him back.

Lewis TKO 11 or UD



Lewis vs Rocky Marciano
Joke Fight
Rocky would have been brutalized. Lewis's size alone would have dominated Rocky.
Rocky fought his best aat 185 lbs, he was 5' 10" with a 68" reach.
Lewis would come into this fight at 246 just for the Rock and he's 6' 5" with an 84" reach. Rocky got great heart and he will be more then willing to pay the price in an attempt to get inside on Lewis. He will pay with his very body and soul.
This is not even a fair match up and anybody with an ounce of knowledge in regards to the HW Division knows this.



Lewis vs Prime Foreman
This is a very interesting match up. Prime Foreman's stamina was only shot to **** when he punched himself out. Lewis can not do this and hope to survive. Lennox do not have the chin of an Ali and to be honest it's not LL'S style to rope a dope.
There's two possible scenarios here.

1- Lewis goes aggressive mode and attempt to out physical the physical beast in Young George. This is very risky because even though LL is bigger and heavier, Young George could very well be slightly stronger and pack a slightly bigger punch. That being said, I trust in Lewis's heart more then I trust in Foreman's and despite what people might think is 'advantage Foreman' I see a all out aggressive LL bomb Foreman to the ground within 2-3 rounds.

Foreman is easily caught with big bombs early and the truth of the matter is, Foreman was never tested against another Super Heavy. Lewis was tested against numerous 6'4+ super heavys. None of them were quite as good as Foreman, but his experience in dealing with fellow giants definitely give him the edge in a h2h.
2- The more likely scenario will be LL impose his superior size and boxing skills to it's limits and dominate Foreman via a combination of tactics,power, and intelligent aggressiveness.
What really made Lennox's jab tactics special is that unlike Holmes and Wlad (two fighters with equal or maybe even slightly better jabs) Lewis was able to mix in a huge variety of other punches to it as he box you on the outside.
Combinations, upper cuts, overhands, he had it all and he will effectively dominant a foreman type from a tactical point of view.
One fight that really stands out for me in terms of Lennox adapting to his opponents is Bruno.
I know Bruno is not Foreman, but we really did see this tactic against him. When Lewis was losing the fight because he was not able to dominate Bruno via his jab work alone, he started winning the fight based on his fighting. Upper cuts, overhands, a few power combos and Bruno was done.
We are talking about the BEST VERSIONS of both boxers in a h2h scenario. The best Version of Lewis would have treated Foreman like a virus, there is no way Foreman could have caught LL with something big. Lewis would either tactically dominate the slugging Preacher into a late TKO

or out slug the slugger early.

Lewis KO2
OR

Lewis Tko 9

 

Lewis vs Joe Louis

Lewis made a career out of destroying big punchers. Now did any of them punch as hard as Joe Joe, debatable. That being said Louis need to get inside on Lennox to win this one. If Joe can constantly land those lefts and inside combinations to the body of Lennox and some to the head, he will make it a very long night.
I just don't see how Joe can consistantly do this without taking massive punishment himself though.
Lewis would be the best all around fighter that Louis fought in terms of overall power,speed,skills and ring generalship. Joe fought Buddy Bear, Buddy Bear is like a 4th grade Lennox Lewis. Lewis have too much a combination of size, power, skills, jab, and that big right hand for the much smaller Joe to overcome.
The upper cuts Lewis will land as Joe gets inside will be too much and too devasting.
Joe will give it a great go, he is a ruthless stalker and one of the great finishers. Once Joe gets you hurt, it's very hard for you to recover. The one thing we DO see from Lewis is that he recovers from being hurt very quickly. Outside of the two fluke ko's, every fight Lewis was hurt in, he came back stronger.
Vitali-Bruno-Mercer-Briggs-Mason he was hurt in all of them and he came back. Obviously not one of those guys were any where near Joe's caliber, I'll admit that much.
Still I just don't see Joe's combinations,skills,power and heart over coming Lewis's own combinations, skills, SUPERIOR SIZE, superior jab, superior power, and equal heart.



Lewis vs Larry Holmes
Let's take a look real quick.
Larry Holmes arguably had the slightly better jab. He will be giving up a slight height advantage, a pretty big overall size advantage and a slight reach advantage.
Holmes was a great boxer, and loved getting into jab battles. The issue with that is Holmes will WIN the jab battle against Lewis, that's actually a bad thing. It will force LL to unleash the beast within him and that only comes out when he feels like it. When seeing that he is being out jabbed and out pointed, Lewis will take the battle inside and hit Ole Larry with a variety of upper cuts and Lennox is the greatest street fighter of all times. Larry will not be able to understand why he suddenly have a massive cut below his eye.
Lewis is a 5 dem Boxer, a jabber, puncher, mover. When the jabber start getting out jabbed(something that I honestly doubt, but let's just say he does) he will become the inside puncher aggressive super fighter that he is.
Holmes getting hit with a Lewis right hand is inevitable. Lewis is not Ernie Shavers. Holmes WILL not be getting up.
Larry struggled with Witherspoon,Williams,Norton and Cooney. All tall fighters who could jab back at him and who could attack and impose their own size.
Lewis is far superior to any one of those four chipmunks.
I honestly see a close jab battle, until Lewis start getting to Holmes on the inside and hitting him with a combination of upper cuts, ending Holmes around the 8th.

 

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Lewis have the honor of being the only modern day heavyweight to defeat every man he ever faced. He avenged both his fluke defeats in spectacular fashion and have a great resume
In the case of Lennox, it is not 1 or 2 wins that stands out but his amazing collective body of work that really puts him ahead of the pack.


Lewis in his 15th fight fought a undefeated power puncher name Gary Mason. Gary Mason was 35-0 with 34 Knock outs. Let's think for a moment about just how special that is.
Gary Mason's 'padded record' stage consists Tyrell Biggs, James Tillis, Lorenzo Boyd, Alfonzo Ratliff, Ricky Parkey, Donnie Long, James Pritchard, Mark Wills, Everett Martin, Louis Pergaud, Hughroy Currie, Terry Armstrong, David Jaco and Jess Harding. Compare those fights to the fighters Detontay Wilder knocked out and you will see the sheer skill difference between the two.
Mason had a 99% knock out ratio heading into the Lewis fight. Lewis was a virtual youngster and he ended up knocking out the knock out artist.






Lewis went on to ko Biggs and Weaver and put up a string of very good performances before entering a 4 men elimination tournament which consisted of

Bowe-Holyfield
Lewis-Ruddock.
Razer Ruddock was one of the most feared punchers in the division and a solid favorite to beat the relatively unknown Brit. Lennox ended up destroying Ruddock in 2 rounds. What followed was one of the most despicable acts known to mankind as Riddick Big ***** Bowe decided to duck Lennox and throw his belt into the trashcan. Cheating Lewis of a possible career defining trilogy. Bowe was dominated by Lewis in the Olympics and never ever wanted to get within 200 miles of Lewis's fists ever again.
Lewis lost motivation, but still managed to come from behind and knock out Frank Bruno (who is a very solid HW and would have been champion today). He also beat Tony Tucker, who is one of the most under rated heavies of the last 3 eras, Tucker went the distance with a prime Tyson and had Tyson fighting confused for stretches.







He lost to Oliver Mccall via a debatable stoppage, regrouped and came back to dominate another underrated fighter in Tommy Morrison. Prime Ray Mercer followed. I hear some people joke about how Mercer was a split decision nail biting fight. These people don't know **** about boxing and should re watch the fight. The match was close and a prime Mercer fought his heart out, but lost steam starting from Round 5 and was eating Lewis right hands, combinations, along with long jabs to the face again and again.
Lewis-Mercer was a very competitive 7-3 affair.






Lewis went on to beat Mccall in the rematch, Lennox caused some sort of mental melt down from Mccall(some people say drugs, I say Lewis's right hand)
Lennox went on to KO the very feared Golota in one round. Golota beat the living crap out of Riddick Bowe for 2 straight fights. His low blows was disgraceful, but it don't change the fact Golota won 90% of the rounds and beat Bowe half to death.
Lewis was a under dog and knocked out Golota in 1 round.






Željko Mavrović was a undefeated iron chin super champion from Europe and Lennox beat him 9-3. At best you can say it was a 8-4 fight. Zeljko had a lot of talent, heart and chin. What happened after the Lewis fight was a shame, a damn shame. To this day, Lewis was the only guy to have beaten Mavrovic, so many others tried, they all failed. With the exception of Lennox.
Prime Shannon Briggs was knocked down numerous times and destroyed by Lennox in the fifth. Some of the most surreal shoulder roll defense was shown by Lewis in that fight. A decade later, a shot Briggs went 12 with a Prime Vitali.






Lewis dominated and embarrassed a still elite Holyfield and won 10-2 on every score card imaginable to the human race. He was cheated by sand Devil Demon Don King. He went on to beat Holyfield again, albeit not as dominant as the first time.





Michael Grant was hyped beyond belief. This ****er was the original Lucian Bute of the HW'S and he was Froched by Lennox. Grant was also 6'8 and a giant super HW with great athletic abilities. People say Golota and Grant didn't do anything after Lennox fought them, of course they didn't. Lewis broke them, they were done.




Lennox went on to fight murderous super puncher David Tua and made Tua look like some kind of fat sparring partner. I had it 12-0 Lewis in the widest most dominant performance of all times when it comes to UD'S.
If you think Wladimir dominated Haye, go watch Lewis-Tua, that is what true domination is all about. Oh btw, that version of Tua would have knocked out Haye in 4-5 Rounds tops.





Lewis avenged his defeat against Rahman by throwing quite possibly one of the most ruthless 1-2 in boxing history and went on to dominate Mike Tyson. Lewis vs Mike is like Calzaghe vs Jones.
Both Mike and Jones was shot, but Calzaghe and Lewis were past their best days as well.



Lennox retired by beating Vitali, despite being a very fat 256+ and heavily under trained. HBO repeatly mentioned how fat and how under conditioned Lewis looked.
Lewis against a Prime Vitali was a war and Lennox was coming on strong in the end. Rounds 4-6, Lennox was pouring it on and Vitali would not have survived past the 8th if the fight was not stopped.




Lennox also now have 156 million dollars, guys like Bowe and Holyfield are dead broke, fat, unhealthy and probably diseased. Tyson was broke too until Hollywood helped him out.