Lets Settle it once And 4 All. Sven ottke Vs Joe Calzaghe 168!

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  1. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That was my gut reaction. But Ottke managed to last the distance against guys like Mitchell, Brewer and Glen Johnson. Maybe Ottke would have taken Calzaghe the distance.
     
  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    What's an Immature KO?
     
  3. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Sven Ottke Fell In the Boxing Forest, Would He Make a Sound?
    By Joey Knish

    If Sven Ottke fell in the forest, the age-old debate as to whether or not he makes a sound will now be left forever to debate. The undefeated Ottke retired from boxing immediately after his win over Armand Krajnc this past weekend.

    The dictionary defines "sound" as "a tone or noise that is heard." Therefore, if no one state-side has ever seen Sven Ottke, he couldn't possibly make a sound if he fell in the forest. Someone has to be present to hear the noise, at least as far as the folks who write the dictionary are concerned. Over an eight-year span, no one outside of Germany even knew what a Sven Ottke was.

    This past Saturday Sven Ottke ended his perfect boxing career at 34-0 with a whopping 6 "did I really see what I think I saw" knockouts. At 37 years of age he retires the Super Middleweight champion, having spent his entire career fighting on his home turf in Germany. Okay, he did make one trip all the way over to Austria in his seventh professional bout, but he surely must have thought he was still in Germany to take the fight. His managers must have pulled one over on him for Ottke not to realize that he wasn't in Kansas, umm, err, Germany, anymore. Home cooking tasted so good to Ottke he never wanted to leave, and he didn't.

    A few decisions on his resume are tainted with some local flavor and that just gave him more motive to keep doing what he was doing. The recipe of local fights, local promoters and local judging had worked for his team. They say that if you keep doing what you are doing you are going keep getting what you have been getting. According to those who might hear a noise if Ottke ever did fall - they saw him after all - close wins over Robin Reid, Mads Larsen, Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer were more likely close losses. Still, Ottke kept doing what he was doing and kept getting was he had been getting. Wins.

    As the book closes on the career of Sven "the Phantom" Ottke it is a shame we never got a chance to know him. Wait, how's that for irony, "The Phantom" was his nickname! Back to my dictionary, it says here that a "phantom" is "something apparently seen, heard, or sensed, but having no physical identity; a ghost or an apparition." Really, I couldn't make up stuff this good. Opponents of the slick moving feather-fisted German could likely attest to this moniker being a fitting one. You couldn't be sure that he hit you, his punches were so light, but you sure had a hard time finding him in the ring to land a meaningful shot against him.

    With the absence of Ottke in the Super Middleweight rankings and Welsh WBO trinket-holder Joe Calzaghe moving up to Light Heavyweight, a committee will rule the division. It will remain mostly a European committee of fighters largely unknown to those residing in the United States. Denmark's Mads Larsen and Danilo Haussler of Germany will now contest the IBF title Ottke polished each night for 6 years between 1998 to 2004.

    Fellow German Markus Beyer is the official WBC Super Middleweight champion with Australia's (hey, how did they let an Aussie in there?!?) Danny Green carrying that title on an interim basis. Once-defeated Anthony Mundine, also from the Land Down Under, guards the WBA title and has seemingly lost out on his opportunity to revenge the shocking KO loss he suffered to Ottke. It wasn't shocking that Mundine lost, only that Ottke was able to knock somebody out.

    Canadian Eric Lucas surrendered his belt to Beyer in 2003, and lost his subsequent shot at the interim title by TKO to the hard-hitting Green. Too bad, Lucas was as close as there was to an American in the mix. Canada isn't that far off after all, but then again Lucas is French-Canadian so that wouldn't count anyway.

    Ottke did it for so many years, never falling, nor making nary a sound. Having never known that he was even there, it seems ironic to suggest that the division just might miss its champion.
     
  4. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe by points, UD 12.
     
  5. One Round

    One Round Hertfordshire's Finest Full Member

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    If the thing was in Germany - Ottke by robbery. Anyone watched the Robin Reid fight recently? Anything shy of a fatal ko would be classed as a slip or result in Calzaghe being deducted points for invisible head butting.
     
  6. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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  7. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I hope the guy that voted Ottke stoppage was joking or at least feeling stupid.
     
  8. K-Man

    K-Man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The only robbery was that vs. Reid, which was the reason why he retired one fight later - he was on the slide and got too slow for his own style. But this is of course only known to people who actually SAW the fights and don't just copy & paste what they read on the internet.

    However, a prime Calzaghe in top shape without damaged hands either stops Ottke or wins wide on points. He was just too fast.
     
  9. Bystander

    Bystander Sensible Kibitzer Full Member

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    this is a no brainer. cal wins via wide ud
     
  10. P4PNo.1

    P4PNo.1 Active Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe to dominate the whole fight and win a wide UD. Unless it was in Germany of course.
     
  11. headhunter

    headhunter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If the fights in germany Joe gets blindsided by the ref.:good
     
  12. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a fraud
     
  13. One Round

    One Round Hertfordshire's Finest Full Member

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    Even if that was a one off it still hurts your legacy and reputation if you only keep your 0 via a complete disgrace/**** take robbery of a fighter. The ref was attrocious but Ottke played up to it, feining head butts etc.
     
  14. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    calzaghe...he would dominate this fight prime for prime
     
  15. rickx1

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