Let's talk about Holmes-Witherspoon

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    I just rewatched the fight for the first time in decades, and MAN, it was a good one. I want to say two things:

    1) I don't have a problem with Holmes winning. Tim did very well at mid-range and infighting, but Larry controlled large segments of the fight, especially in the early rounds, simply by landing that jab at will at range. I was surprised at how Tim really didn't have an answer. I can see how the judges just felt Holmes banked too many of those early rounds for Tim to come back. Also, Tim let that last round get away from him a bit, with too much time dancing and jiving a bit when he should have been making a closing statement.

    2) That notwithstanding, Angelo Dundee, Chris Schenkel, and Mike Weaver in attendance all thought Witherspoon won, and the crowed booed when Larry was announced winner. They booed again when Holmes left the ring.

    'Spoon landed power shots that visibly hurt Holmes, especially in the 9th, but also the seventh and the tenth. He went to the body well with the hooks, and landed rights as well, sometimes making Holmes miss with the counter-right. He briefly switched to southpaw in segments, came on in the later rounds, and towards the end of the fight, he has Holmes so tired, that there was a some role reversal, with Witherspoon winning the battle of jabs in segments.

    Good, undervalued fight, and I really didn't remember it as being that good, maybe because Witherspoon was never quite that sharp again.

    What did y'all think?
     
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  2. Andre2000

    Andre2000 Member Full Member

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    Excellent fight and round 9 was purely great in its own right.

    In that round Holmes again proved how dangerous he could be when hurt.

    I’d say Larry came close to evening up the 9th round - both guys fought themselves to a virtual standstill near the end of the round.

    Dundee was def. pumping for Tim and was a little bit guilty of talking him up beyond what was happening.

    Dundee got too excited about Spoon becoming cocky and doing some showboating - stuff that doesn’t actually score points.

    Meanwhile, Holmes kept it real and continued plying his trade in no nonsense fashion.

    Close and entertaining fight but a fight that Larry still won clearly imo.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Honestly I think it's overrated as a controversial decision.

    For me Holmes clearly won in a competitive fight.

    The commentators were horrible TBH they were so biased towards Witherspoon. And Dundee fanboying over Witherspoon when he switched southpaw, despite not landing anything of substance looked unprofessional as a supposed neutral commentator.

    Overall I thought Holmes clearly won most of the first 6 rounds with his jab as Witherspoon didn't do alot in those rounds.

    Witherspoon made a nice comeback in the middle rounds with his inside fighting and body punching.

    But after the memorable 9th round where Witherspoon badly hurt Holmes. I always felt when Holmes turned the tide late on in that round, halting Witherspoon's attack with a big right hand as he was coming in.

    That seemed to halt Witherspoon's aggression and momentum for the rest of fight.

    And in the final 3 rounds Witherspoon was doing a bad Ali impression. And gave away vital rounds in the championship rounds in a fight that was up for grabs at that point.

    So Witherspoon dared to be great but he wasn't willing to go that extra mile in the championship rounds to be a great. And that pretty much sums up his career a near great but just fell short overall.

    A great technical fight one of the best Heavyweight fights of the 80s but Holmes clearly won it for me in a competitive fight.




    Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon


    1 Holmes
    2 Witherspoon
    3 Holmes
    4 Holmes
    5 Holmes
    6 Holmes
    7 Witherspoon
    8 Witherspoon
    9 Witherspoon
    10 Witherspoon
    11 Holmes
    12 Holmes

    115-113 Holmes
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Great fight and tested Holmes like Norton.
    Seen the fight a couple of times and I give it to Holmes slightly, but could go the other way.
    Shame there was no Holmes - Witherspoon 2 .
     
  5. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    History could of been interesting if spoon won .would he be be more motivated it he was champ ?? Possibly .held the title for a few years ? Been the man at HW ? Met Tyson for the top spot ???
     
  6. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    Controversial opinion, but Holmes vs Witherspoon and Holmes vs Norton > any Muhammad Ali fight.
     
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  7. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia New Member Full Member

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    Yes they were gr8t fights, & Manilla you can argue both being enough past peak to disqualify it...

    But not FOTC?
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    lol
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Was this fight the last of Larry's prime?
     
  10. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia New Member Full Member

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    Considered just past his prime.
     
  11. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    FOTC was better. Otherwise, I can't argue too much; Holmes had some REALLY good competitive fights while still in his prime, and I'd argue his Mercer win and Holyfield loss were both also great fights in their own right.

    He had some boring fights. Holmes vs Cobb was the HW version of Shakur vs. Teo; one guy literally couldn't touch the other.

    edit: If you want to argue that Holmes vs Norton was the best technical HW championship fight ever captured on good film, I won't argue with you.
     
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  12. PopPellegrino

    PopPellegrino Active Member Full Member

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    I agree, the Mercer and Holyfield fights are classics. His fight with Cobb was fun in the same way Vitali vs Briggs or Ali vs. Terrell was fun; it was a one-sided beatdown. And he threw a lot of punches in that fight, so I don’t think it’s comparable to any Shakur fight.
     
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  13. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I still think the best thing about the Holmes Cobb fight was Holmes going to see Cobb the next day to complain about how much his left hand hurt (obviously joking around as a way to try to make friends with Cobb; also I think just to check on him). I'm sorry but that's absolutely ****ing hilarious.
     
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