Let's Talk About It...Is OSDT Bad For The Sport

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This thread is a ****ing joke.

Let's have one champ per weight class and one rulling body before you can talk about testing. This is an international sport. How the **** do you monitor or impose OSDT when each country and belt orginization have their own rule.

The sport has way way bigger problem then drug testing.

 

I think there's more to the "ducker" perception than the testing, though. It's a combination of horrible behavior and honestly scared statements regarding Pacquiao, Mayweather looking interested in anything BUT boxing(PR vacations, what does that remind you of, remember when the welters were heating up with cotto and marg? PBF was nowhere to be found, and he swooped in and picked up the pieces with Mosley), and all this jail time baby momma ridiculous criminal behavior. So I don't know how to answer that.

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It should be mandatory for all big fights. That way we will weed out PED munching disgraces such as James Toney and Shane Mosley.:dead:dead

 

ROFL Quick join Jrs salvation army . Rocket science level IQ's only. **** people on here are strange.

 

I read the thread and the only excuse I can find was it being expensive. Money is an issue but it is one of many issue regarding testing athlete from all over the globe.

True OSDT is year round/random and the athlete is tested until they retire. The test sample can also be tested in future date when new test are availble. This all cost money, tons of money. Very few sports use it because it is expensive, intrusive, and requires one sanctioning body.

If you would have took the time to think instead of trying to justify a half baked excuse from Floyd you wouldn't have posted such trash.

 

How about somebody tell me a fighter who has failed a drug test before the fight? You can't bc the only Commission that will test before a fight is NSAC and they will only test a fighter pre fight if they have knowledge that that fighter may have taking something and other than that they do their usual Post Fight urine drug test. I see no problem in doing 1 random blood test while fighters are in training and a few urine test. Then do a blood and urine test post fight. You first have to look at how OSDT works. They store your blood and the results. For example. Mayweather did the OSDT with Mosley so if Manny mans up and takes the full OSDT with no cut offs. They could easily compare Floyd's blood thats on file to his blood they take while he is preparing for Manny. So if Floyd is doping right now while not fighting it could show when compared to his blood test from the Mosley fight. By the way Mosley was using PED'S and never failed a drug test and you don't see the commission overturning his wins from that time period bc he never failed a drug test. Excuses me A POST FIGHT URINE TEST. OSDT is good for the sport.

 

Just to make sure we are all on the same page, OSDT is a combination of both urine and blood testing, not just blood testing. Neither urine nor blood testing is 100% fool-proof on their own which is why it's important to utilise both forms where available.


1. Of the two, blood is superior but more intrusive than urine: Blood testing can detect a drop of a banned substance in an olympic-size swimming pool wheras urine would only detect the same drop in a bathtub. Both style tests will detect common PEDs but there are some masking agents that will not show up in urine, nor would urine return results for abnormal blood levels caused from the agents.

2. The reason urine is preferred over blood is simply down to expenditure and level of intrusion: blood takes 24-48 hours to replenish whereas urine can be replenished within hours.

3. OSDT has been succesfully implemented for a number of years now in the Olympics with very little objection from athletes (including amateur boxers). And with the blood testing, we are not just talking the top-tier athletes - blood testing have been used in college-level athletics in the past as well.

There is no debate if OSDT is superior to current boxing drug testing - it's common sense OSDT is superior. Anybody who tries to argue otherwise has an agenda, whether it be money, resources, or whatever (and yes, that includes any boxing commision that tries to argue current testing is just as good).

The debate is if OSDT can be logistically and realistically be implemented into the sport. It's about balancing an acceptable amount of money, time, and resources with an accepted percentage of cheaters they are prepared to slip through the net.

For example, if we wanted to catch 100% of cheaters we could have somebody follow them around 24/7. How about they live in a boxers village with cameras during the leadup to fights? Machines exist that can monitor all outside objects which enter the body, so why not hook them up to these? While these would catch more cheats, none of these balance with time, money and resources.

There have been some recent advances with urine testing, but not enough that it can be used exclusively which is why the best current (and forseeable) testing is OSDT, which I believe still balances out at the top-level fights.

I believe Mayweather is doing the right thing in the wrong way. Boxing is a sport, but it is a unique as it is also an event. Boxers and promoters have much more responsibity with setting up and holding an event than other sports, so I think it is within their right to negotiate something like drug testing. Is negotiating the type of drug testing any more unreasonable than negotiating gloves, weight, ring size, location, merchandising, PPV and gate split?

Mayweather made an unusual request but not unreasonable.

 

:deal Now with that being said do you think Manny should do the Full Random OSDT? It simply just means that they can come test you at any time. I think Floyd's request is not a request to try and catch Manny doing something. Its to make sure he doesn't do something leading up to the fight that will give him an advantage outside of his natural skill and ability. Would you agree with that?

 

The real reason why random blood and urine drug testing isn't as strict in sports period or "overlooked" until absolutely guilty is because very powerful people with big fat pockets don't want certain cash cows to be discovered. Whether they be trainers, promotors, nutritionists, are the actual fighter. Nobody likes to be scrutinized, and although it is good for the sport to implement, I'm sure there are a lot of unsuspected people today who are under the radar, and still getting away with it, who are hoping/praying that it never does.

 

This makes my day!!

 

Ideally full random testing is preferred, and if it was my call that's what I'd stipulate. However, the keyword in my final paragraph is negotiate - it takes two-to-tango so Pacquiao has just as much a right to negotiate a cutoff date.

This whole drug testing drama has just gotten out of control and it's now at a point where it is simply more than drug testing. I now doubt these two will ever face off, but I hope that with so much attention to this nonsense some good comes from it and OSDT becomes the norm for future boxers.

If these two camps just left the negotiation behind close doors the first time around instead of arguing through the media this deal would have already been made. Perhaps we could be clamouring for a rematch instead.

 

It would be imposible to have every boxing match have OSDT. However if all 10-12 fights were to have OSDT. It becomes more managable.
Other than the cost of OSDT. There is no reason what so ever not to have OSDT in boxing.