So Carl Froch is set to face the guy that Joe Calzaghe ducked twice ..What would a win over the Road Warrior do for the Cobra as far as resume ?Would it put him above Calzaghe considering he's already on pace to have a much better one ??Does his loss to Kessler keep him under Calzaghe even with a win against Johnson or does he get ranked higher ? DISCUSS!!
What kind of a win? Are you assuming it's a hard fought UD for Carl, or a KO/TKO washout? The nature of the win impacts its value, resume wise.
Calzaghe didn't duck Johnson. I think, if Froch beats Johnson, he'll have built up a better resume already. The Kessler loss hurt and he would have an incredible record had he beaten him, but it was close and you could probably argue that Froch looked like the guy who had an extra gear and should have done more, but it was a fair loss. I think he lost as clearly as, say, Mayweather against Castillo to put it into perspective and, for further comparison, I think Froch would avenge the loss in a similar way Mayweather soundly beat Castillo the first time around. That's just the way boxing goes though. So right now, I'd say the Kessler loss keeps Froch just under Calzaghe. There's lots of comparisons to Froch and Calzaghe being of nationality, previous hype etc., but Froch is close to a lot of elite fighters. I don't think he's far off guys like Hopkins. You can't fault the opposition he's beaten.
Well considering no beats Johnson with ease just a win alone what does it say ?I mean if he were to KO Johnson I think the world would be shocked ..
I'd be shocked myself. Just wanted to know how realistic you were being about Froch. If he does enough damage (I'd like to see uppercuts connecting), and if the Road Warrior remains his old self, this could be both a clear Froch UD and the best fight of the tourney. Would look great on Froch's resume, and Johnson is a more versatile opponent than Jeff Lacy for example. Froch still doesn't have a primeKessler-like dominating win (primeKessler >>>>>> AA) if you're weighing his resume against Joe's, so no I don't think that puts him ahead just yet. He'd have to beat both Ward and Bute to make it there safely.
carl has impressed me his last couple fights. even in the kessler fight he looked real good when he fought/boxed off his back foot. by carl's own admission, he didnt step on the gas enough when mikkel was just begging to be countered after throwing those wild looping shots he's been throwing lately (don't know whey mikkel has been doing that..where the hell did that beauty of a 1-2-right uppercut go?) against aa he looked great but i think what was more impressive than how he fought was the fact that he was disciplined enough to do it all fight. that is something i think he has grown into...being a bit more disciplined. aa takes forever to get rolling and pretty much sits there waiting for an opening, giving away rounds in the process. and i'll be honest, i thought carl would provide aa that golden opportunity but he really didnt and arthur looked like a last minute replacement way out of his league because of that. i honestly thought carl lost the dirrel fight but for everyone saying (me included) that carl was way overrated for "beating" jermain and "beating" dirrel...he has definetly come into his own lately...at least from where i'm sitting. i'm a big glen johnson fan but i wouldnt be upset at all if carl rolled through the rest of this thing. i think it would be good for boxing if he did. (i intentionally avoided the joe c. bit )
He pulled out of the fight twice citing injury ..He ducked him ..But thats past but I have to agree with your Hopkins comparison ..I think one big diffrence is though who Froch has fought ..I mean coming off a shut out of Double A after losing such a close fight to Kessler says allot about his drive ..I could see him ranked higher than Joe if he keeps winning ..This next fight is going to be tough as hell for him but I expect him to win based on skills .
Calzaghe absolutley did duck Johnson. He was gonna duck Lacy too. Had to be persuaded by Frank and his pops to fight - he wanted to pull out. Calzaghe was good fighter with low confidence until the end of his career.
A win over Johnson doesnt mean very much at all in honesty. Johnson is a fighter that loses most of the time he steps up in class. A fair win but not a great win. Calzaghe did pull out of fighting Johnson on more than one occasion, but lets not pretend that Calzaghe ducked Johnson. Calzaghe pulled out of fighting Sheika 3 times and pulled out of fighting Lacy, and look what happend in those fights. When Calzaghe was ringside with a view to fighting Johnson, Johnson lost, so Calzaghe didnt duck Johnson, Johnson lost and blew his chance. Just a note on G Johnsons SMW career - In 12 SMW fights Johnson has lost 6 of them. Johnson has lost at SMW to - M Sosa who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson Kiwanuka who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson Ottke 16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer Vanderpool 27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after Branco 38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ Sheika who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe. The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat Campas 3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight Watson 24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight Renteria 9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2 Zimmerman 15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk. If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume This content is protected To think beating Green was all Johnson had to do to become a Ring rated SMW in todays ratings. With that SMW resume Froch isnt going to get great credit beating Johnson, and when Carl beat Abraham, Abraham was coming off a loss. Froch is making his own resume and name but it is a long way off Calzaghes at this time. Good luck to Froch though
calzaghe is an alltime great. froch is right now just great, if he wins the tournament and goes on to beat bute or kessler, then he is an alltime great for me