No victory over a 41/42 years old boxer would rank Froch over Calzaghe. In the final he`ll lose to Ward pretty sure.With two defeats , bye-bye Calzaghe comparison. But this was discussed already here.
How far past prime was Eubank to you then? Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye. Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was? Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss. What Froch has done at this time doesnt compare anywhere near to what Calzaghe did at SMW. Consider at SMW, M Veit who Calzaghe beat has done more than Dirrell has done, just isnt as recognised. Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell, Kessler, Lacy etc all accomplished more at SMW than any of the mentioned fighters on Frochs win resume and that isnt all of Calzaghes resume.
Froch is as active as calzaghe should have been in making big fights but as far as talent goes froch is several steps below him and i think calzaghe would have beaten him by at least 3 clear rounds. But if froch somehow manages to win the super 6 which is unlikely and then maybe beat bute he should jump above calzaghe in overall rankings, would be amazed if that happened
Hello Alt . I notice that you cant debate against the subject, which proves you are someone who cant follow up on their own views and opinions. :dead. Pathetic. I just pointed some facts, nothing more or less. Many Fans, especially American fans would like to rate Froch above Calzaghe, due to the fact that Calzaghe beat all of Americas best SMWs that would face him along with Hopkins and Jones.
If Froch wins the tourney, Joe C should come out of retirement and fight him at 175. I think he could UD Froch even at this point in his career. I know it is just a pipe dream.....but it would be awesome!
I agree. As for the resume thing. Calzaghe doesn't have a tough stretch like the one Froch is currently in. But all in all, Froch needs to do some more to rank with Joe. I'd say if he wins the tourney, meaning he'd have beaten Johnson and Ward, rematches and beats Kessler, then beats Bute.......another solid win or 2(Direll rematch maybe?)...........that would probably do it for me.
Hmmm... well argued. Well, I still think Froch will overtake Calzaghe at some point. He has shown he can bounce back from a loss and clearly has a few good years in him. Also, unlike JC, he is consistently fighting the best. There are enough big fights out there for him to give it a good shot at least
Froch has a great resume, and is one of my favourite fighters, but many are fooled by hype and exposure. For example when Froch beat Pascal, Pascal wasnt a top 10 rated fighter, and in truth Dirrell hasnt done anything of note, and is only rated for being American. Abraham was coming off a loss as was Kessler who Calzaghe beat when undefeated. Its that some dont look at the full picture
Couple more wins for Froch and he has beaten Joe.C legaccy, Bailey the reason everyone in Boxing respects Froch is his opposition and how he has fought in those fights regardless losing to Kessler, you cant argue that you can only admire the man, he fights the best that is put in front of him, it took Joe.C a long time to get going and people will always question his earlier bouts that were quite poor minus a few. I will always remember Joe.C's masterclass against Jeff Lacy, Eubanks, Byron Mitchell( very good win), Mikkel Kessler, as good as it was to beat Hopkins and Jones i wish them fights had been made 5 years earlier.
Froch beat Pascal who at the time hadnt beaten anyone of note and wasnt a top 10 SMW. Froch beat Taylor, a good come from behind victory but Taylor was only 2 fights past losing on points to Pavlik and was never a great SMW. Froch beat Dirrell, but who has Dirrell beaten? Abraham by DQ, a former MW with no big wins. Froch beat Abraham who was coming off a loss. Froch lost to Kessler in a hard close fight. Who was coming off a loss That doesnt compare anywhere near to what Calzaghe did at SMW. Consider at SMW, M Veit who Calzaghe beat has done more than Dirrell has done, just isnt as recognised. Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell, Kessler, Lacy etc all accomplished more at SMW than any of the mentioned fighters on Frochs win resume and that isnt all of Calzaghes resume. You fail to notice that AA and Kessler were coming off of losses. Pascal wasnt deemed a tougher opponent than Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Brewer, etc AA was coming off a loss and as a SMW hasnt done much at all. At SMW AA is below Veit for example. Dirrell hasnt achieved anywhere near the level of Veit has so far, though is better than Veit when he first challenged Calzaghe but not second time. Just examples. Part of it is that alot of the fighters Froch has beaten a more recognised names. With Dirrell being American people know who he is, but he hasnt done much as a SMW
Pascal was a tougher fight than than some of the fighters you mentioned he is as good as Woodhall, 10x better than Lacy? Would you not agree. I think Froch can have a better resume in TWO more fights. You cant say Johnson is old and means nothing to Froch's record as so was Hopkins and Jones both well past there best when Joe.C fought them.