Lets try to understand Cotto's point of view for a second.

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  1. Ricky369

    Ricky369 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am doing this because I have read a lot of stupid comments from basically two kind of people here in this forum. 1. The people who doesn't understand **** about the pro boxing business. And 2. The people who don't understand the times were boxers were stupid and the promoters made all the money is over.

    Let's try to understand Cotto's point of view:
    1. A very famous guy with a lot of fans wants to fight him. That could mean a lot of money. Fine!
    2. The guy wants to fight @143lbs. NO WAY!
    3. The guy says 145lbs. OK, LET'S DO IT!
    4. The guy wants 65% of the purse. OK!
    5. The guy want you to put your 147lbs tittle on the line. HHMMM!!! Wait a minute.
    A. The guy has no tittle.
    B. The guy has only one fight @ arguably 147lbs. Against an about to retired, not in his prime,WEIGHT DRAINED, not really ranked anymore star.
    C. The guy will get pay more than me. But putting the tittle on the line will cost me over 200,000 dollars.
    D. He wants the tittle but doesn't want to fight by the tittle rules. He wants his own rules.
    E. WHAT ELSE DOES HE WANTS?? PICK THE PLACE, THE GLOVES, AND COMING TO THE RING SECOND AS IF HE WAS THE CHAMPION??????

    There is a lot of money to be make in this fight. But Cotto has a contract that specify the minimum amount he will make per fight. He could go and easily fight 2 or 3 "Michael Jennings" kind of fighters and get the same amount of money without so much risk and retire happy.

    Now, I understand all that **** about honor, blood, pride, etc..... But business are business. And usually those guy who only fight for pride end up really bad. Like, I unfortunetly have to say, Gatti.

    Do you remember the times when if a challenger wanted the belt he had to go and take it away from the Champion????? So now, thank to a big promotion machine and excellent marketing, the challenger is allowed to established the rules of the game??? Like, Do we want him to be a champion or does he wants to be a champion???? What else is he going to ask for???? 50% of the money before the fight???? THIS IS BULL****!!!!!:fire
     
  2. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    they must think cotto fell off a ****ing turnip truck
     
  3. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Maybe they're having second thoughts about the fight. Cotto is the real deal at this weight. They knew his energy would be sapped at 143.
    Its really plain in simple if you fight for the title you fight at the limit of the title. There is no 145 weight limited title. Thats perfectly fair. To me asking for all this stipulations leads me to believe they are having second thoughts on the fight, or trying to turn Cotto into a sapped sponge like they did ODLH.
     
  4. ceebz

    ceebz Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Couple things you got wrong here...

    First, it was Cotto who called out Pac, not the other way around.

    Second, Cotto offered the 145 pound catchweight, not Pac. Pac agreed to it when Cotto said he wouldn't fight at 143.

    Third, Pac is the major draw here, and no matter how you spin it, this will be by far, Cotto's biggest pay day.

    Fourth, it will cost Cotto $150k to defend his title, not, $200k, $300k, $400k, or, whatever ridiculous amount I've seen spewed on this forum.

    And lastly, this is just petty bull**** by Cotto. When has a titleholder of any weight class, fought in said weight class, and not defended his title? Especially, when he's fighting the p4p#1? Even if Cotto chooses not to defend, the WBO will strip him and allow Pac to fight for the vacant title. So, basically, Cotto's just letting his sore vagina get in the way of his biggest pay day, ever.
     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Hate to say it, but I agree.
     
  6. truewarrior

    truewarrior Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont see anything wrong with the fight being at 145 no tittle and 147 tittle. Simple as that. Pacs team ****ed up by not negotiating the tittle which is kind of idiotic if you ask me.
     
  7. truewarrior

    truewarrior Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What about Pac acting like he needs vagisil to stop his vagina from itching and step up to welter.
     
  8. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Look its either fight Pacquiao and put the title on the liune or fight Berto or Clottey and make 80% less, so lets see what he does.
     
  9. JuanMa

    JuanMa business as usual Full Member

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    Valid points.
     
  10. paulcris

    paulcris Member Full Member

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    Pacquaio won all his previous titles without preconditions. The 7th? one should be the same. Fight with no preconditions for the title.
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Wrong Cotto never called out Pacquiao. Did Cotto said "I'm challenging Pacquiao to a fight." <<<<<I don't think so. Cotto was only ask if he would like to fight Pacquiao, he said sure but he said there are other options.



    The catchweight stuff started with Roach/Pacquiao and you know that. Cotto said if they want a catch weight then it has to be at 145 pounds.




    Pacquiao is really not a huge draw. Take away De la hoya, Hatton ppv buys and Pacquiao other ppv buys are real good but not like huge goods.
    Cotto last big ppv fight he fought Margarito and that ppv buys were 450 in which is 50 percent better then Pacquiao vs Marquez rematch that did 400k.



    It don't matter if it's $400, $300, $200, $150, it's still alot of money to pay sanction fees plus Cotto have to pay more then sanction fees but i guess you didn't know that.





    It's not bull**** move by Cotto. He's doing a smart thing cause first the fight is at a catch weight in which Cotto don't have to put up his title. If Pacquiao wants that title so bad then he should tell Arum to do 2 things, Give Cotto 40 percent of the purse in which Cotto is the champion and is a draw in which he deserve to get 40 percent of the purse. Or have the fight at 147 pound limit. It's that simple and easy.
     
  12. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here'a a question. Let's say Pac-Man wins the with a 145 agreed catch-weight, Does this mean that every defense, he will make his opponents also agree to a 145 limit? Of course not. The rules are 147, once he has a mandatory challenger, he'll have to let them fight at 147. If Pac wants to be a welterweight champion, he needs to fight people that are at welterweight.
     
  13. doubleplaidinum

    doubleplaidinum Maravilla Full Member

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    exactly. BULL****.
     
  14. Powerman55

    Powerman55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    NO.

    This is what Cotto gets from this fight:
    - Legacy as being the man who beats Pac
    - A Huge fight with Mayweather Jr
    - Massive fight with Mosley
    - Massive rematch with Marg
    - HUGE HUGE HUGE paydays which will make his pay for the Pac fight look like peanuts
    - He becomes THE MAN
    - Moves up the P4P Rankings
    - Has the advantage by 5 pounds as he is the bigger man (Pac's best weight is 140) Size advantage over Pac should be about 13pounds on fight night!

    This is what PAC gets from the fight (if the title is NOT on the line:
    - He beats a young, prime welterweight.

    So people need to F*CKING UNDERSTAND that Pac is the number 1 at the moment NOT Cotto. Pac isn't getting **** from this fight apart from hate from the haters.
     
  15. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    anyone that uses the phrase "weight drained" about pacs win over DLH is obviously a hater. look, the guy started out as 108 pounds and fought at featherweight most of his career....maybe DLH shouldnt have picked on such a small guy or accepted a fight..it was DLH fault for taking a fight at that weight...same with cotto...if its a big deal...fight people your size and quit bitching about **** every 2 seconds