Letter from Kermit Cintron to Boxing Fans

Although I don't think it applies in this case, Dr's do need to be trained or instructed on how to distinguish between fighters who can't continue and those who just don't want to continue and try and blame an injury as a way for a dr. to stop a fight and instead of getting TKO'd get a possible decision.

The best example of this is the Toney Rahman rematch. Rahman's cut was in no way serious enough for the doc to stop the fight, but he let Rahman dictate to him, by saying he can't see well enough to cont to fight a fighter like James Toney. He flat out admitted in in interviews by saying I am not gonna fight a fighter of Toney's stature with a cut.

Now a situation like this a doc should be able to recognize when a fighter wants to find a way out compared to a fighter who is legitimately unable to cont.

 

HBO fronted 2 million. 1.5 for Al Haymon's boy and somewhere upwards of 45- to 500 K for Kermit.

****, if Kermit is that easy, I'd take the fight again if I was Paul. But HBO (that's Haymon Box Office to you) won't let that happen. The fight was tougher than expected, Kery Davis is in Haymon's pocket and does what Al wants him to in regards to his fighters, so we won't see this again. It has nothing to do with Kermit jumping out the ring or the first 3 rounds being boring in the eyes of some fans.

As for my mailbags, I write those on Thursdays and Sundays. Hence why they are called Monday and Friday Mailbags.

Carry on. You're doing great.

 

**** kermit cintron he aint fooling anybody, (maybe a few) all he's doing trying too hard to convince himself and others that it was an accident. But everybody knows he was looking for a way out of the fight.

:hat

 

**** him, he didn't seem to make any effort to try to continue

 

To tell you the truth NBA i believe you when you say Kermit seems like a nice guy but there's another side of me saying that Kermit is that way with fans because it helps cover up or mask what he really is as a person. Because of his personality outside of the ring some people want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's "likable"!!

Kermit seems like one of those people that if things aren't going their way or the way they planned then they don't know how to deal with it!!

This guy Kermit has more excuses than anyone I've seen in boxing in my many years of watching the sport!!

Personally I don't think it was gonna be a tougher fight than most expected because Paul himself said that he was boxing those 1st couple rounds and then Mr. Peterson told him to turn it up and obviously that's when the fight started to get good!!!

Everyone who watch PW knows he's a perpetual brawler and under those conditions a guy with Kermit's personality would've folded!!!

Guarantee if that was Pac-man that Kermit was fighting you would have 95% of ESB saying that Kermit consciously leaped out the ring!!!!!!!!

 

The thing I really hate about this whole incident, and what people back home are talking about is that Paul doesn't need his career and legacy tied to Kermit Cintron. Especially at this point in his career when people are looking for excuses not to fight him, and you have no idea how wierd of an ending the fight could potentially have. It's just a big risk, not necessarily from the action, but from what my transpire once the going gets rough. You never know with Kermit.

And quite honestly, although Paul has no intention on ducking Cintron, I doubt an immediate rematch will happen for a couple of reasons. First, he has bigger fish to fry, and second, it will be a disaster trying to sell a rematch, so he would be taking a massive paycut for something he was prepared to do the first time.

 

Dear Kermit,

I don't believe you.

 

Exactly.

I think it would have turned out like Cotto/Margo, Miguel was landing bombs on Anthony, but you could almost feel Margo getting stronger and Cotto starting to wilt.

I don't think Paul does Kermit's face like Margo did to Cotto, but there is that hand wrapping theory.

 

Look, the letter is really nice, but at the end of the day you have to look at the facts. If a fighter feels he can continue and really wants to continue, he will continue. He will not lay motionless on the ground for 15 minutes. As far as the doctor, since there was no visible damage on Cintron (like a bug cut or broken nose, where doctor makes visual evaluation), doctor has to make evaluation based on fighter's responses. It's just common sense. So, if doctor thought Cintron was unfit to continue, it just had to be based on Cintron's response.

I mean, think logically, people. Doctor is not the bad guy here. All doctor can do when there is no visual evidence is ask the fighter if he is hurt, if he can continue. You think if Cintron answered yes, doctor would say no, lay down? The only time Cintron acted like he wanted to fight is after the fight was declared over (10 mins after fall) and when he was strapped. If he acted anywhere near like that before fight was over, he would have continued. At the end of the day, if there is no visible damage, it's fighter who decides if he wants to continue, not doctor.

As far as rematch, I personally want to see it (and I was rooting for Kermit), but the fact is, Goosen is right: first 3 rounds were not exciting. Yeah, it started to pick up, but at the end of the day, it didn't. You think general public wants to see this fight after uneventful 3 rounds and ridiculous ending, where a fighter was fine, but did not continue? As much as I want to see rematch, I just don't think HBO will sponsor this. Williams and Cintron are solid guys, but are not great names, and they have to show excitement for them to get HBO contracts. This fight was utter disappointment for boxing fans. I just don't think HBO will pick this up again. So, Kermit can shove the letter he wrote up his ass.

 

:huh

Exactly and Lewis Klitschko involves the same CSAC as well heck it may even be the same Dr...

 

maybe kermit is the one lying.. i'll give the doctor the benefit of the doubt.. kermit is a proven *****

:hat

 

I believe the doctor that Kermit quit, this is supported by video and Kermit's actions. 1st his back never touched the video monitor, this is clear to see on the broadcast, 2nd never in the history of people getting the wind knocked out of them have they ever laid motionless on the floor for 5 minutes. Cintron is a ****ing liar. Another lie is that I've heard from people at the fight that his people were around him when he fell, this is proven in the video and again is another lie coming out of his mouth.

It is clear Cintron wants another payday because he took the easy way out. I don't feel sorry for him and I hope that was his last big payday, back the ESPN circuit for him.

 

I'm puzzled as to why no one seems to want to consider the possibility that the doctor is lying to cover his ass. I mean so many people here are so quick to resort to conspiracy theories, but so easily accept what the doctors saying to be fact and truthful. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that the doctor, who wrongfully encouraged Cintron to stay down and stopped the bout without giving him the mandated 5 minutes to recover is trying to say he was justified is calling a halt to the bout that HBO lost a ton of money on, Williams potentially lost a few fans LA from, and is near the center of boxing chatter right now? I mean I would have to assume he could be facing some ramifications if what Cintron is saying transpired is true. Those ramifications could result in him losing money and harm his reputation. It’s not like he is a totally unbiased 3rd party. He has a vested interest here.

Furthermore why does everyone have this incredibly negative opinion of Cintron’s ability to fight in tough fights? Did he quit against Margo?…yeah, but he wasn’t the first or only person to do that. He also got back in the ring with him. Did he come off as a ***** in the Martinez fight?...Yeah, but if he honestly thought it was a head butt how was his reaction wrong? (I do personally think he knew he was hurt and was looking for a way to by time to recover, but I’m not Cintron.) I mean Cintron did recently stay in and bang with Angulo when the fight and momentum started to turn and things got rough for him. And even if you question his heart and toughness the 4th round of a mostly uneventful fight doesn’t sound to me like an incredibly tough spot. And for those of you claiming he did it to secure another pay day please explain how a win in this fashion does more for his earning potential than a decisive win over Williams. I mean yes that position implies he gets a second payday, but a decisive win could result in a larger percentage in a rematch as well as future HBO televised fights with large purses.

Also I've read a few of Conditioner101's posts regarding Cintron and while I do feel for you in the sense you were abandoned and not "justifiably" reimbursed for your investment, I think what you fail to do here, similar to what you accuse Cintron of doing, is not taking responsibility. On more than one occasion you boasted that with you Cintron was 24-0 with 22 KO's or whatever his record was, but as a team you have to be willing to take credit for the losses as well as the wins. Although Cintron was the man in there with Margo and he may not have listened to your instructions you ultimately are part of his team and deserve part of the blame. You can’t only be willing to take credit for the wins. Cintron felt his best chance at future success was with another team and while I understand you could feel betrayed by that it doesn’t warrant you coming onto ESB forums telling degrading stories about the mans personal life and attacking his character. If my business partner ****s me over I’m going to be pissed about it and have strong feelings towards him, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to tell everyone who would listen about the times we cheated on our wives, did drugs, or stole things (All obviously hypothetical). It's time to move on.

 

Before you pass judgment on what I wrote I think it's only fair that you read EVERYTHING, and if you are going to comment on what I write then you should comment on everything. Was Kermit with Marshall and I for the first Margarito fight? Absolutely, but it was Kermit that decided to routinely show up 30-60 minutes late for training, it was Kermit that decided some days he just didn't want to train at all, it was Kermit that would quit midway through some workouts, it was Kermit that decided to quit in the middle of sparring, and it was Kermit who decided that he wanted to entirely skip certain aspects of his training that were part of what had made him so successful in previous fights. So to answer you... NO I will not take responsibility for his failure. Kermit brought that on himself. You might ask "why would he do this?" Simple... all Kermit was concerned with was spending time with his new girlfriend. That's the story of the 1st Margarito fight in it's entirety.