Lewis and Wlad would have fought extremely cautious against Wilder

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For many years Deontay Wilder was compared to Michael Grant on the different boxing forums and comments on YouTube videos. People were saying that prime Lennox Lewis would just came there and demolish Wilder like he did with Michael Grant. To the lesser extent some fans were saying that Wlad would demolish Wilder like he did with two very big but unpolished guys - Derrick Jefferson and Ray Austin.

    But Wilder is completely different fish - you just can't compare him to Grant, Austin or Jefferson.

    OK, lets compare him to Michael Grant. Other than having the same height they have nothing common. Wilder hits much, much harder than Grant ever could dream of. Wilder's power is 10 out of 10, Grant's was about 6-6.5 (at best). He wasn't a big puncher - he stopped his opponents on accumulation of punches and scored only 1 one-punch KO - against 43-years-old Francois Botha. Hell, Grant even failed to stop Paul Marinaccio and Lioned Butler, both of whom were KO'ed by Chris Byrd.

    But power is just one thing - Wilder is also much faster than Grant, has much better chin (Wilder's chin is average, but Grant's was awful), much better reflexes and much better killer instinct. And yes, Wilder has much better defense.

    Lewis wouldn't just came there and try to bumrush Wilder like he did with Grant - he would fight very cautious against Wilder, because if Wilder had landed the same right hand as Grant did at the beginning of the first round, the fight would be over for Lennox.

    I'd expect prime Lewis and prime Wlad to chose defensively-oriented style of fighting against Wilder. They would outbox him due to their far superior skills and probably stop him in 6-8 rounds, but they wouldn't just come and demolish him like some people think.
     
  2. George Crowcroft

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    Wlad would fight Cautious, he'd try and jab wilder then clinch whenever he was too close

    Lewis would know the longer it went on the better chance Wilder has and so he'd just go out and do a Golata on him
     
  3. Big Ukrainian

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    Golota's power was good but not great. Wilder is ferrocious puncher. Lewis always fought VERY cautiuosly against ferrocious punchers, even if they were extremely short and fat (Tua) or short and shot (Tyson).

    Even against Ruddock, when Lewis was more reckless figher, he tried to box him rather than fight. He just caught Razor with a perfect right hand and Ruddock never recovered. Byt stylistically his fight against Ruddock was completely different to his fight against Grant.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    Lewis blitzed Tua in the first round. Tia just took it then let Lewis outbox him for the rest. He did fight Cautiously for few rounds against Tyson but then beat him down. He also didn't seem to mind trading with Briggs, Mercer and Vitali. Or even Bruno
     
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  5. N17

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    A prime Lewis would have ruined Wilder, He would have also ruined AJ and Fury.

    He would have stopped all 3.


    Wladimir at his best would beat all 3. He was past his best by the time he fought Fury and let himself down terribly and even past his best nearly stopped AJ.

    The 3 Heavyweights we have now are just not all that, they are decent but that's about it.
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

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    Mercer and Vitaly weren;'t huge punchers. They weren't on the same level as Tua, Tyson or Wilder is terms of punching power. Against Briggs Lewis just underestimated him because he saw Briggs punches had ZERO impact on 49-years-old George Foreman - Briggs couldn't even slightly hurt Old George with his best punches. And when Lewis got caught at the end of first round, he switched to boxing in which he succed well stopping Briggs in five. I'd expect him to box with Wilder from the very beginning.
     
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  7. N17

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    Oh and Wilder at 33-0 and newly crowned WBC champion was called a "prospect" by Finkel and they just flatly ruled out a unification fight with Wladimir.

    They inew Wladimir would have filled Wilder in even at that stage of his career.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    Tua is an overrated puncher. I'd pick Vitali (and maybe Mercer) to stop Ike Ibeabuci. I think Bruno was the hardest puncher Lewis faced. Briggs was definitely underestimated, Lewis's left hook turned the tide in that fight, whenever he landed Briggs was hurt. And c'mon even at 49 Foreman was a ****ing tank. I think Lewis would know that the safest thing to do is get Wilder out of there, get inside and land huge uppercuts and not to trade right hands
     
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  9. GALVATRON

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    Vitali and Mercer stopping Ike would have nothing to do with power but boxing ability . Tua not stopping Ike is due to being a limited fighter and at 5'9 trying to run over huge Ike so not sure how you overate Tuas power ?

    Tua was basically a less powerful 90's Tyson and less skill , he was actually used by Holyfield as a sparring Partner to mimic the short bullish style.

    Tommy Morrison was the hardest puncher Lewis faced , but he didn't hit him much clean vs the far bigger Lewis , but he did hurt him with a body shot . That's about it.
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

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    Mercer would never stop Ike if he was unable to stop ot drop Jesse Ferguson in two fights... Vitali was much better boxer than Tua, but that's because his size, style and boxing IQ. If we are talking about piower, Tua was on different level comparing to Vitali - watch their fights against Obed Sullivan.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    Tua never stopped an ATG HW (I know neither did Klitschko or Mercer but they're not in top 5 HW punchers lists) Tua's power to me is overrated as I've seen a few say it's on par with Foreman and Shavers. Wilder hits harder from my eyes.

    I think he was more powerful Than Tyson with one punch. But he would've been beaten up badly by him. He could be helpful with sparring for Tyson actually.

    That's a very good point. I had forgotten about Morrison, I'd say Morrison in 91 would've been the hardest puncher he faced but at that point he was far from his best.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Wlad was always cautious. Nothing new there. Lewis ... you never know what version turns up. He might decide that Wilder looks vulnerable and take him out early
     
  13. bandeedo

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    youre a sharp kid.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    I know I think Tua was more powerful than both. But he is far from the biggest puncher in the divisions history
     
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  15. GALVATRON

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    That's the thing with Wilder most guys you match him with us going to be a shoot out due to how he fights and how he can hurt you fast.

    What I got from Breazeales fight is he showed he can level a good chin fast and hit compact shots at the weight I said he needs to be which is 225 so he's basically there.

    A fight with Foreman is always 50/50 ...is really no different from Breazeales one bc it's going to be whoever lands first . That's just the way it's going to be between fighters like that.

    Fury defeated Wilder and it's still 50/50..

    A fighter who can take a great punch and box is going to be difficult if they can match his dimensions. We know who that is.

    The guys I would unquestionably pick to beat him in order of chances.


    1. Mike Tyson ( would have a field day )
    2. Vitali Klitschko ( nightmare all around)
    3. Anthony Joshua ( To balanced skill size )
    4. Wlad Klitschko ( has the number one weapon ..JAB
    5. Lennox Lewis ( dangerous fight but Lewis could nullify him using rough clinching ,inside )
     
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