Lewis and Wlad would have fought extremely cautious against Wilder

Prime Wlad would outbox and clinch Wilder until Wilder finally lands and Wlad would of been knocked out cold.

Prime Lewis beats Wilder anyway he wants, most likely by a violent KO.

 

if your saying Tua was more powerful then Tyson you are also overating Tyson ? That doesn't make sense.

Your mistaking ability to win fights and hitting hard. Tyson had both. Morrison never stopped an ATG bc the truth is most don't fight an ATG bc they are fighting guys in their era and when it happens two prime guys fighting its rare. You yourself said Morrison was past his best so who did Lewis knock out ? Tyson 2000's.

What ATG has Wilder knocked out ? See how this doesn't work ?

 

No. Tyson is very overrated of this board. And underrated on this board, Tyson was a speed demon with a good power. Tua had better power and maybe a better chin, but I still think he's overrated.

Lewis stopped Klitschko. He knocked out Bruno. He absolutely pummeled Rahman, Ruddock and Golata

Yes. My basis for Wilder not being the hardest is exactly the same as it is with Tua. Except Tua faced an ATG HW, who supposedly has a suspect chin, and Tua still didn't do anything.

 

The thing is Wlad and Lewis can get away with being cautious because they can box. They can control mediocre fighters like Deontay from the outside and attack them at their leisure. There's nothing Wilder can do to change that.

 

Deontay Wilder is better than Michael Grant was. He's a dangerous fight for anybody around today even with his flaws.

Wladimir became more cautious after his defeats in 2003 and 2004. The later reincarnation of Wladimir boxes Wilder behind his jab and would clinch when opertune. Wlad had big power, a good jab and height too, and his footwork is better, so he'd would be favorite imo, but Wilder carries his power all night and would always have a puncher's chance vs Wlad. How good Deontay's own chin is really has yet to be seen though and he isn't a great boxer. Fury controlled most of their bout and had him beat until he got careless in the last round. I still Fury ahead after 12 rounds.

Lennox would be smart to be reasonably cautious too, but could mix it more than Wlad. I'd take a sharp LL to knock out DW in the first five rounds.

 

No mediocre guy Wlad ever fought had the explosive speed , power and range of Wilder.

I can think of two guys Wlad beat who were quick - Haye and Sultan.

Haye was a small guy with the same reach as Adonis Steveson. He leads with an over hand swing so Wlad only had to step back to avoid a single punch. Wlad would have to step back to avoid the jab from Wilder and then the following right hand and possible left hook. Wlad doesn't move out of the way to avoid follow up attacks , he clinches and holds. What worked on Haye - step back and hold - wouldn't work on Wilder , because;

Wilder is one inch taller than Wlad and has a longer reach. Where Haye fell short , Wilder would land if throwing form the same position.

Then there's Sultan , another small guy with no power , with an even shorter reach than David Haye. Klitschko beat him simply because he was far taller and longer.

He doesn't have those physical advantages against Wilder , so Wlad never beat anybody remotely close to Wilder , let alone at his leisure.

Wilder would probably be stylistically all wrong for glass chimed timid Wlad who has no upper body or head movement to avoid Wilders lighting quick whipping 1-2.

The other fast guy Wlad fought who was taller than both Sultan and Haye stopped him in two rounds.

 

It‘s funny how people talk about Wlad as some sort of defensive master when he really wasn‘t lol.

Wlad had no counterpunching ability and got easily overwhelmed by speed and brute force because he used to freeze when being cornered.

His main defense was build upon his reach and clinching against smaller fighters which wouldn‘t work against Wilder.

But hey it‘s Wilder and he supposedly can‘t box, so of course Wlad would wreck him lol.

People need to look at styles and build their own opinion.

Bottom line is Wilder would have a very good chance to defeat Wlad.

 

I think you would be an idiot to not of fought cautious against Deontay Wilder. These men were top level elite thinking Boxers. They would of relied on their technical ability and tactical awareness to be able to cautiously lead Deontay Wilder in to traps, which weve all seen Wilder falling for against much lesser fighters than Wlad or Lewis. Its what a good Boxer does. Just like Joshua against Povetkin, this is not a bar carpark, this is not a school yard this is a sport at its professional level, and Lewis and Wlad were at the elite end of it.

They would of just stayed safe and after a little leading on Wilder would of taken the wrong bait and been finished. There is levels to this game.

 

yet when the opportunity came Wilder didnt take it. Finkel called him a baby or something odd.

 

I suppose people will bring up the sparring session to back Wlad which is embarrassing since Wilder in a fight and Wilder in camp are two completely different entities.

One Wilder wants to knock your block clean off , the other Wilder is learning and trying to improve his skills.

 

What opportunity? Klitchko never attempted to make a fight with Wilder.

 

Well when Wilders manager came out with the "Wilder is still a baby im not throwing him in with Klitchko" statement whats the point. I suppose Wilders manager could of pursued the chance to make the fight anyway in the hope Shelly Finkel would change his opinion but my gut feeling is Wlads manager may of shared a similar view to that of Finkel. For that very obvious reason that they are the same person.

Im sure if Shelly Finkel didnt want the fight theres a good chance Shirley Von Winkle wouldnt be able to talk him round.

 

Thats one part of the quote , he then went onto to say "give him a couple of fights". Whats wrong with taking one or two fights before having a unification?
I don't remember either Wlad or Bernd Bontey trying to make the fight so there was never an opportunity for Wilder to turn down.

There's also the fact of the WBC ordering Povetkin as a mandatory defense not long after Wilder won the belt.

 

Wilder was next after Fury. Try to keep up.

Also Dildo would have been the first to come howling about Wlad beating on bums had he (and he would have) starched Wilder.

 

Lewis did not k.o Klitschko, he was actually losing the fight.

Bruno is not a ATG. That is the criteria you were using , you were demoting guys for not knocking them out , your trying to change things now.

So do you see how using ATG's doesn't work ? You have to say everyone is overrated then , this is why those guys in the history section have to stay there bc that's there measuring sticks...ATG's and it's stupid . Lol

Tua didn't do anything bc he's not better then Tyson or Lewis , you don't overate someone when he's not the best fighter going up against the top guy. You can't overate punching power either, obviously Tua had power but Lewis was not easy to K.O at 6'5 and aware of the danger , you don't overate someone's power otherwise everyone has overated power .

Had the Overated Tyson ( according to you ) have fought Lewis in the 1997 range it may have turned out different bc he matched better with him then Holyfield .

If Tysons overrated why did he dispatch Bruno easy twice while Lewis struggled and was hurt ? Can you answer that one if we are comparing fights ? Why is Tyson the only guy to K.O Holmes , is Holmes a ATG , doesn't that guy your criteria ?