Lewis Beating Ali?

I don't think anyone can guarentee Lewis not getting trapped by Ali. Or any fighter vs any other fighter for that matter. There are no guarentees.

 

And I have watched his fights against Foreman , Bonavena , Foster [**** fight] and I think even another one only recently.
The Doug Jones fight I have watched really long ago in ESPN.
The Frazier 1 , I think I saw part of it long ago too.

But there are more important fights except them dull 15 rounders that can kill a man's brain (just from watching , I mean).

Not that I never saw a full 15 rounder , I saw a few.
But stoppages are the most economic to watch.

 

I think Lewis is the best heavyweight fighter we've seen. He's the perfect all rounder that excels at most aspects of boxing, and on top of that he happens to have a physical advantage against almost any fighter in history. I wouldn't pick anybody to beat the best version of Lewis

 

lewis never beat a top class fighter at there peak and the best heavyweight of all time dosent get knocked out twice with a single shot and dosent fluke decisions against ray mercer :deal

 

Well, obviously he does- because he did. He certainly didn't fluke the decision against Mercer though. After reaching the top tier of the division Lewis fought top fighters for over a decade, his worst opponents were far better (and bigger) than Ali's worst opponents- his chances of getting complacent and being KO'd were a lot higher :deal

 

You got it right. No contradiction here.

 

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I think this is an oversimplification. Watch how he did against Bugner, who had a similar reach and a faster jab (watch from 4:05 especially):

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Lewis would be far from the fastest, most athletic and accurate fighter Ali fought. Patterson, for one, easily outdid Lewis in all those categories. Lewis would combine these attributes with size better than anyone Ali fought, though. But that's not the same thing.

On the other hand, Ali would be the fastest, most accurate, smartest and most unpredictable opponent Lewis ever fought. The difference in athletcism between prime Ali and the most athletic opponent Lewis fought (old Holyfield?) is staggering, as is the ring smarts/inventiveness.

The only of Lewis' opponents even comparable in toughness and will to win would be Holyfield.

 

Lewis was slow.Too slow to win here.

Could be a good fight though.

 

1. Bugner is pretty much a fringe contender and his jab certainly isnt as good or as quick. Norton, Doug Jones and Young ggave Ali problems. Frazier and Cooper did to albeit with left hooks instead of jabs, Alis suscepability to a fast left hand is clear

2. Your right I forgot Patterson, Patterson gave a few problems despite supposedly suffering from a bad back but Patterson was just too small really. As you said Lewis ofcourse has more range/strength to combine with that to be much more effective.

3. This is true, but my thinking is while Ali may at times outbox and outland Lewis, Lewis will hurt Ali far more than the other way round when. Plus Lewis's double/trebble jab and timing can neutralise Ali's speed

4. Probably so, but then again arguably Vitali to. Vitali had the similar tall lean back style defense, peppering an opponent with shots. Yes hes allot slower, but allot bigger/taller/stronger than Ali and lennox showed how he could rip through that type of defense

 

Bugner wasn't great, but he had a real sharp jab, and I think that Ali really shows that he can slip a jab and counter over it. The clip shows that he had good technical defensive skills to call upon.

The left hook, not the left hand in general. Lewis wasn't a left hooker.

Ali fought a ton of good/great jabbers and the only one that really gave him big trouble with the jab (excluding Holmes) was Norton. And that was primarily in the first fight.

Ali had very little problems with Patterson. Floyd countered him once or twice in the rematch when he got a bit careless, but overall Ali handled him very comfortably. The first fight was just about as big a mismatch as there's been between two fighters on that level.

Lewis is of course a whole other animal. Only pointed out that Ali faced faster and more skilled guys than Lewis, just no one who combined it so well with size.

Lewis may well beat Ali. I'm not necissarily disagreeing witth your conclusion, just dissecting the arguments.

He also showed that he could be gotten to and Ali's eybrow wouldn't crack. Anyhow, Ali and Vitaly are too different to really be used as references to each other. I do think that Lewis' win over Vitaly is damn impressive, though. All things considered it might be his best.

 

frank bruno outboxed lewis - he was winning with the jab. ali would certainly outbox lewis.

one more thing, when ali got up on his toes and used constant lateral movement he easily outboxed norton, it was when he stood toe to toe and started exchanging norton got his shots in well. when ali kept moving it was a different story.