Lewis Beating Ali?

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  1. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Ali held his hands low and snapped his head back to avoid incoming shots. If you catch him along the ropes with his hands down, you can nail him flush. (Chuvalo did it, Henry Cooper did it, Frazier did it, etc) And Ali snapping his head back made him wide open for someone who would feint. It would be easy to set him up. Oh, and Ali never learned to block a jab, which is why he had no answer to Norton's counter-jab in their fights.
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watch the clip I previously posted, that gives a different story.

    Really? You think Norton was the only one who used the very basic technique of blocking and countering against Ali? The man met some 50+ pros and blocking and countering a jab is among the first thing you learn in a boxing gym. You don't beat more than 30 ranked opponents if that's your kryptonite.

    You might as well say that Lewis couldn't defend straight rights. It's just as true/untrue.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think he was not technically astute.

    But to say he didn't learn "the fundamntals of boxing" like punching, balance, positioning, footwork, i bizarre.
     
  4. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Ali was so fast that people had trouble catching him in the 1960s. But in the 70s, people were able to make him pay for those amatuer mistakes. His elusive speed is the reason why this flaw wasn't brought up to the light until the Norton fights. And Lewis is a much better jabber than Norton.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your friend's wrong. Lewis' chin wouldnt hold up, even to Ali
     
  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Lewis had trouble with guys with Alis style, and Ali was the best at it. I do factor in Lewis size and elite ability to make the fight competitive.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    And stil, he went 3-1 against ATG opposition and racked up many title defences.

    Prime Lewis has a good chance against past pime Ali. So does prime Marcaino, prime Holmes, prime Dempsey, prime Bowe, prime Holyfield and a lot of other primed greats who I would expect him to beat in his own prime; of course, prime Foreman was beaten.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anyone who points to flaws in Ali's game (which there were some) must at the same time consider that he met just about any type of fighter there is.

    He met slicksters like Ellis, Folley, Moore, Mathis, Young and Jones; boxer-punchers like Patterson, Liston, Quarry and Lyle; swarmers/hookers like Cooper, Chuvalo and Frazier; rangy fighters (with some skill and speed) like Terrell, Bugner and Lewis; awkward fighters like Mildenberger, Bonavena and Norton; and big punchers like Mac Foster, Foreman and Shavers.

    If you had Ali figured by just blocking and countering or feinting would he have beaten all these men? Most of them quite convincingly.
     
  9. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    I'm going to tell my friend to get an account here. I wanna see what his reaction will be to your statements. :) Good stuff all around.
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was still doing as well in the 70's as Lewis was in the 90's. How is that being exposed? He handled guys like Ellis and Quarry like they were sparring partners. But just because Norton troubled him, that shows he was there to be beat? The same Norton that gave Holmes hell and beat Young? Really? Is that your anlysis?

    What should we then make of guys like Mercer, Bruno, McCall and Rahman troubling Lewis?
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mind you, I have no problem with anyone believing Lewis would beat Ali. I wouldn't bet very much against it. I just want the arguments to be fair.

    Besides, it's much more fun dissecting others' arguments than actually sticking your own neck out there. ;)
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    1. Fair enough but Bugner hasnt imposed and beat a world class opponent with his jab. It isnt that Ali is susceptable to any jab, but its a way to land on a fast elusive man, which in itself is a challenge

    2. Not his best punch but Lewis has a good long left hook

    3. Yes the jab needed to be fast, I think Lennox would be the second best jabber after Holmes

    4. Ali was very convincing ,I'd still say Pattersons speed gave him a few problems

    5. I'm not really 100% sure Lewis wins either, his complete skill set means he has an excellent chance
     
  13. tommygun711

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    I think it's bull****. even though lennox is bigger, harder hitting, taller, longer reach etc, that doesn't mean he can beat Ali. Ali faced sonny liston who had an even better jab then Lewis. and he had a longer reach. Ali simply just beat him to the punch, and used his movement to confuse Liston. seriously lewis's jab is not that great. he paws with it a lot.. and I think he would lose to Ali based on ali's heart, chin, hand speed, and movement. I think that guy you were talking to was biased anyway. ali truly only lost 1 fight to norton.
     
  14. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    seriously?
    I think Ali, holmes, Liston, wlad, foreman, and Louis all had a better jab then Lewis.... Lewis often pawed with his jab.
     
  15. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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    Lewis did paw with his jab sometimes, but other times, he didn't. He was jabbing well against Rahman in the rematch, and against Tommy Morrison. When his jab was "on," it was really sharp. I think if Lewis fought the 70s version of Ali and popped that jab, he would give Ali some problems.