Lewis Beating Ali?

I definetely agree he would give him problems, but Liston had a better jab then Lewis, and hit harder, but then again Lewis is bigger and taller then Liston. I just can't see him beating Ali.

 

Two great jabbers Terrell and Liston.I cant remember what happened when they fought Ali.:huh

 

Ali is plenty proved against top end jabbers. You don't get better than Terrel and Liston in terms of jabbing ability, and Terrel is taller than Lennox. I'm more concerned with Ali against great all round punchers/finishers than anything else, including super heavyweights.

Lennox is in for more of a shock than Ali is, considering he's fought no one even close to Ali while Ali with bouts against Liston, Foreman, Frazier (all top ten HW's) to prove his mettle.

I like Ali here by decision. Big speed edge and I see him having success with the jab.

 

Terrell and great don't belong in the same word, Listons jab is way overrated mainly because hes as slow as mollasses

 

Terrell was among the very elite in the world for a period, and he didn't get there with numbing power or blinding speed. Something was working for him and that was a very, very solid and long jab.

Terrell is the most under rated win on Ali's resume.

 

Truest statement in this thread :good
Manny Steward always talks about Lewis being great 'cuz of his fighting ability and not really his boxing. And he's right. Lewis was not that great a pure boxer. I think Manny said in the interview he did with esb he thought Bowe was the better boxer of the two, but Lewis would just make him fight and beat him. Hasim Rahman outjabbed Lewis, so did Mercer and Bruno, at diff. stages of his career. LL was unusual in that he was an athletic 6'5, 84" reach heavyweight who could bang. But people tend to think 6'5, 84"...he must be unbeatable from the outside. Look at the jabbers he fought, its not true.

 

The reach is being made out to be more than it is in terms of advantage for Lewis. This measurement of 84 inches is from fingertip across the upper back to the other fingertip. A better measurement if from shoulder to fist which many of the PPV fights show.

 

I think Lewis had a serviceable jab, couple with his reach it made for a serious weapon. It could and should have been better though.

I'm trying to think off the top of my head who Lewis fought who moved a lot like Ali. Guys tended to want to nullify his reach, and tried to get inside, in my minds eye anyway. Any thoughts?

 

It wasn't slow in 1958


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Sharp, Fast, and Powerful

 

That post-Marciano, pre-Ali era was horrible. Bunch of featherfisted, weak-chinned midgets who went hot and cold. No wonder Liston went thru them like a hot knife thru butter. Is it possible to expunge the lot of them from collective memory?

 

The one with the dreads obviously wins. It's a shame they didn't discover dreads back in the 60's and 70's. For those of you who don't know the book on dreads, thye make 20% better at everything.

 

Oh, yeah, I remember that ! The deadly "cornrows". That Vitali-Lewis thread ran for hundreds of pages.


There was a Wlad-Brewster thread that had some very far out excuses for his loss too, stuff of JFK-grassy-knoll-style proportions, the mysterious man two rows back in the green hat .... I kid you not ! :rofl

 

What do you mean midgets ?

 

Cleveland Williams , Zora Folley , Eddie Machen and Ernie Terrell and I bet some more were not feather fisted midgets. they were just clubfighters (according to their achievements) with some size and power whom were top contenders during their time because they were their best opponents during that time (except of Liston and Patterson). At least until the arrival of some of the 60's fighters , whom were far from great in their turn (except Ali and Frazier).

 

Bonavena posed a big problem for Frazier for some unknown (to the vast majority of the forum's members) reason , but outside of it , he failed to achieve something big.
I saw him fight , nothing fascinating there.
And I saw the "Greatest" himself fight too , against Foreman , Bonavena , Liston , Foster and maybe some more I forgot.
Not even mentioning the Frazier and Norton fights.
And what a shame was to see "The Greatest" fighting Doug Jones.
Ali made use of his big size advantage and when he did not have it he either had crappy opponents , or made by (special) order ring ropes.
And it does not even include the Norton and Jimmy Young fights.
And then again the Doug Jones fight when he had his big beloved size advantage and still was horrible.
But most posters do tend to remember Tiberi-Toney better , despite their short term memory is usually way weaker than their long term memory.