Lewis career/legacy - one of the best ever

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  1. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    that imo is the only thing preventing a potential argument as being the greatest. those lapses cost him dearly on two occasions and was fortunate vitali got cut open cause i think he would have lost a clear decision in that one. i'll never put him above ali, louis, and marciano but a #4-6 ranking is about right.
     
  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. He's a great fighter, but not as great as some like to make out. He's the ONLY top level ATG heavy to get taken out twice in the early rounds by ordinary fighters when he held the title, the ONLY one. And he didn't fight the great fighters of his era when it MATTERED, facing faded versions of Holyfield and Tyson, and not fighting Bowe at all. Overall, he has a great legacy, but it doesn't compare with that of the best HW of the era, Evander "Real Deal" Holyfield.
     
  3. Exposed

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    Lennox Lewis, if he belongs in the ATG category (which I don't think he does), belongs in the bottom. There's more than just the two KO losses. The struggle he went through with Briggs (who may have finished Lewis if Briggs had more gas in the tank), barely winning over Ray Mercer, the embarassing thrashing he received from Frank Bruno before Bruno's usual stamina collapse in a 2nd half of a fight, and even his subpar performance against Vitali Klitchsko (and his refusal to rematch Klitschko after he demolished Kirk Johnson), all count against Lewis.

    Lennox Lewis is an alltime great among his fans that will always be debated here.

    When it comes to true boxing historians, writers, and analysts, his stature is exactly where it needs to be. Somewhere, but away from the top.
     
  4. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You cant walk in the rain without getting wet, every fighter gets hit, there are shots from the Tua fight on that video and thats to show those that say he didnt get hit by Tua and say that if he had he would have been ko`d. Most people dont remember him getting hit. Those shots in the video are from 15 years in the ring, and he only went down 2 times. If he had the referee from the Holmes spinks and the Homes Shavers fights then the Lewis McCall fight would have been allowed to continue, Holmes was in worse condition, thats something you need to consider when comparing between modern and other eras, the referees let crazy **** go in th eold days that would be deemed dangerous by todays medical standards.
     
  5. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That video covers 15 years, just imagine the amount of material we would have for a holyfield vid of him taking shots through his defence, Tyson, Ali therefore had a defence that poor fighters got through.
    People say Rahman ko`d him with one punch and dont remember that Rahman or Tua landed those shots.
    These are few out of 15 years of fights.
     
  6. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you just copy and paste the same bull**** whenever there's a thread about Lewis?
     
  7. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ts not as if Lewis had youth on his side in those fights!

    He had boxed just 4 rds between the point where he was being written off as shot, old, fat, out of shape, mentally rattled etc and the time of stepping into the ring against Tyson.

    He was 3 months off 38 when he beat a prime 31 year old future champ, Vitali. The fact that a diminsihed Lewis took what he took and still won at that time in that condition should count for something the way you all hold Holyfields excuses of age against Lewis. Those fighters get excused for losing to Lewis on those grounds but if Lewis had lost to Vitali under even bigger, much bigger age and primeness grounds the same people would have claimed that proves Lewis wasnt any good. In fact he did the very thing neither Tyson or Holyfield managed to do, beat a top prime contender future champ under such odds, Lewis did! That counts for a lot.
     
  8. natedog

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    Unlike Holy, Lewis was still fresh well into his 30's. The lack of serious competition, as well as his size and stature, benefited Lewis greatly. Evander fought the better competition, and thats the price he paid. Lewis had one war against Klit and threw in the towel along with his title. :lol:
     
  9. Shamrock

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    Nope! Tyson would KO him.:patsch
     
  10. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    common misnoma, "peek-a-boo" refers to a constant high guard like Earnie Terrell. The reason being obvious. Tyson/Patterson did not use this style, they ducked and slipped punches.
     
  11. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure he koed Moorer, Moorer had a terrible chin. Moorer was Foreman's best route to getting a piece of the belt in the 90s. I am not discreditting Foreman accomplishment, it was a good win for a 46 yr old guy. But let us not overrate this accomplishment.

    I score the Briggs fight for him but not sure if you could call it a robbery. It you do, then Axel Schulz was also robbed against Foreman.
     
  12. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    A Prime Lewis would almost certainly beat a prime Tyson.
     
  13. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which HW champs then beat a prime HW ATG??

    Tyson did not. He beat an old Holmes. Michael Spinks was no HW ATG. He was a LHW ATG.

    Holyfield did not. He beat old Holmes, old Foreman and a past peak Tyson.

    Marciano no.

    Holmes, definitely no.

    Jack Johnson, definitely no.

    Neither did Dempsey.

    Nor did Joe Louis.

    Joe Frazier, many argue that that was past peak Ali.

    So the only guys left now are:

    Ali (against Foreman)
    Foreman (against Frazier)
    Bowe (against Holyfield)

    If you have Lewis at #12, which other 9 HW do you have higher and on what basis?
     
  14. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis lost 3 fights. He got his ass beat by Klitchko. If not for the cut stoppage he probably would have lost, he retired wisely. He got knocked out by 2 bums.

    Lewis may be an atg but he's not in my top 10 here's quite a few I'd place ahead of him. In no particular order

    Louis
    Ali
    Holmes
    Marciano
    Frazier
    Foreman
    Tunney
    Johnson
    Norton
    Holyfield
    Dempsey
    Patterson
    Liston
     
  15. dan-b

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    I love Lennox he was a credit to the sport. It's a shame people tried to say he had a lack of heart. This was mainly done by Americans who didn't like the fact he wasn't prepared to get his head beaten off like Holyfield. Those two emabressing KO losses will always tarnish his record though. He's a top ten all time great heavyweight in my opinion but he goes no higher than seven because of those losses. Had it not been for them he would have been top five.