LEWIS /FOREMAN, Different perceptions of 2 defeats whilst at their peak.

Not officially, but Foreman did lose to Axel Schulz.

 

You're wrong, and now I'm going to prove it to you.
I will not deal with demagoguery and a lot of empty talk.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/best-boxing-performance-of-all-time.722505/page-3

Did I write this on another topic before or after our discussion?
Yes or no?

 

The list of opponents yes Alis might be better but the actual wins I don't think so.

Yes but those are both stops.

Young fought all the best 70s HWs except Frazier and he did well against all of them and Shavers and later on Cooney are the only one to stop him. Its hard to blame someone for struggling against someone who gave everyone problems. Jimmy Young isn't Hashim Rahman or Oliver McCall hes Evander Holyfield. Hes the guy who could win or lose a decision against anyone but could always be trusted to go the distance.

I often say many HWs could have had Holyfields career with his lifetime title shot pass and Jimmy Young is near the top of the list.

 

Simply say you were wrong. Because you were. Two months may as well be a lifetime really because one is right or one is wrong.

 

Context, really.

Ali proved he was a class above Foreman. Foreman was likely at his lowest ebb against Young and retired almost immediately after that loss.

Lewis was in the early stages of his ascendancy when floored by a guy not in his class (albeit that he should have been allowed to continue, IMO) and again, perhaps at his technical peak, when he failed to properly prepare.

Complacency as a cause for losses is a darn sight worse than being out-thought by the greatest heavyweight of all time and losing one's mojo before retiring.

 

I have Lewis at #5 and Foreman at #6 ATG.

Lewis was a sensational fighter, but I don't think anyone should underestimate Foreman's second winning of the title. At his age it was pretty remarkable, a feat not matched before or since.

 

George is romanticized and overrated while Lennox was traditionally underrated ... George (2) was also so much more charismatic and fun while Lennox was always a bit high strung and indifferent ..

 

The Ali fight destroyed his confidence, at least during the remainder of his "young" career. He was much more self-conscious about his stamina & attacking opponents w/ the same abandon after that fight. This allowed opponents like Young & perhaps even Lyle to linger in the fighter longer than they otherwise might've, & eventually cause big problems for Foreman.

 

You have proven nothing.

And I don't care what you wrote on another topic. Do you really think people trawl through every topic just to see what you wrote? You inflated opinion of yourself is actually quite sad.

Demagoguery...do you even know what that word means? You shouldn't use big (or small) words that you don't understand. You don't look intelligent. You just look like a fool.

Anyway, have a nice life. I'm putting you on ignore now. Because frankly, life is too short to deal with pretentious self-fornicators like you.

 

Yeah, that's fair. And Vitali was beating the brakes of Lennox until the doctor stopped it.

 

That's extremely well articulated - short and concise.

 

Yeah given the year and what was at stake Lewis should have been given a shot at coming back. One could argue quite reasonably that the stoppage was fair but with full context i totally disagreed with it. There's any amount of occasions where people in worse condition have been allowed to soldier on. Rahman knocked him out in the true sense but McCall didn't.

From the time Lewis' ass hit the deck until the ref waved it off was 11 seconds. One can't say it would be stopped in the modern game as Fury was given 20-21 seconds before Wilder was allowed at him. Lewis would have been as fresh a a daisy with basically double the time he was given.

Of course McCall being Don King's fighter (heck Don was hanging off him on his ringwalk) wouldn't arouse any suspicion.

Firstly have a look at how incredibly reminiscent this KD of Saad is compared to Lewis'. Secondly do you think this ref would have let Lewis go on???? Saad's dead on his feet LOL

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