Lewis is a top 5 ATG Heavyweight.

I think he is. I don't think I'd put him #2 but the only guy I'd comfortably put ahead of him is Ali.

Outside of that I think he's atleast in the discussion for the #2 slot with guys like Marciano, Louis, Holmes, Foreman, etc.

 

the hair loss, the bad heart. all at a young age as well. bull****!

throw in the fact of the "Evan Fields" situation while you're at it.

Holyfield was a cheat.

Holyfield fought them when it mattered because they had no problem facing him, so he was given the opportunity that Lewis wasn't. stop trying to make it out as something it wasn't.

you focus too much time on Lewis being beaten twice by stoppage. that doesn't all of a sudden mean his achievements outside of those stoppages are null and void.

you hate Lewis for some reason and you're trying to **** on what he did. you're a bad sport, as well as being petty.

 

Ya that's why they fought...oh right but they never..

 

I'll have to do some research on that.

 

You do that and while you're at it you might want to actually research why the Bowe - Lewis fight didn't take place after Lewis starched Ruddock. Time to do some homework kiddo.

 

Yes you are right. It's just that in the amateur boxing it's commonly said that you are knocked out even if you have just been stopped, just like it's said that you are in a "knockdown" once you are hit and hurt by a big shot despite not going down. It's correct that Bowe wasn't actually knocked out, but stopped.

 

Holyfield was a real warrior but he definitely cheated, I've been lifting weights most of my life and I know when someone has used steroids to get to where they are simply because it's the only way to get as big and cut as he was.

That aside I'd say that Holyfield fought the best fighters of anyone since Ali, he just didn't win enough of them, having losing records to both Bowe and Lewis. But for whatever reason Zak can't wrap his head around the fact that Lewis beat every fighter he stepped into the ring with, and had he been just a little less careless he may have had an undefeated career. Course that's speculation because without the loss he likely never would have had Manny as his trainer and therefore would have likely fought a different style, which would have been more aggressive but less focused on defense and the use of the jab.

 

Holyfield was definitely a warrior. whether on gear or not.

i actually like watching old fights of Evander, and even look past his use of steroids. but there is no denying what he did. it stares us right in the face. failing to see with all the evidence against just shows what kind characters we're dealing with.

i've never seen a problem with the couple of mistakes that Lewis made because, as you say, they can make someone to be better at their craft.

loads of fighters in history have been knocked out, but it still doesn't mean that what they achieved has no worth over fighters who didn't get knocked out. especially when that fighter has the impressive resume like Lennox does.

you won't see the Yanks **** on their own like Louis, Hearns, Tyson, Jones, Foreman, Frazier and many more because they got knocked out. no, they save that for the other nations. it's petty.

 

Yes he is and on my list he is 3rd ATG, look at who he beat, Holyfield (Twice draw was a joke), Vitali being the best wins, but also the really top level guys like Tua, Rahman, Briggs, Bruno, McCall, Botha, Mercer, Ruddock, Tucker. Lennox H2H is very hard for anyone to suggest that he doesn't rank above Marciano, Jeffries, Johnson is ******ed Marciano never beat a good HW EVER!, Johnson again record not nearly as good, Jeffries i'll assume that's a joke. Don't forget that Bowe ducked him as well clearly even Bowe felt Lennox would win that would have been another quality top win. Also his amateur exploits an OGM Lennox is only behind Ali and Holmes on my ATG HW list.

 

Silly posts like this show how ill-informed you are and highlight your lack of basic knowledge of the Heavyweight division.

Study up, Sonny. Til then keep quiet.

 

I think it's a close call. H2H who would you have? Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Tyson, (Maybe Wlad), Foreman, and maybe Liston

Resume; Ali, Louis, Perhaps Holmes in terms of title defenses, but not quality of opposition. Perhaps Holyfield in terms of who he fought, but not who he beat. Perhaps Marciano in terms of being undefeated, So he makes the top 5 of this list and would likely be in the top 5 in a mythical H2H competition.

So I'd say he's in around the 3-6 range.

 

You've got your time line wrong. The fight was negotiated in 94 prior to Lewis losing to McCall and after Bowe had lost to Holyfield. The fight didn't happen because Lewis lost to McCall.

 

Wait, I thought you said Lewis had a glass jaw etc

Lewis is the best heavy of the 90's, if there was a poll I'm pretty certain he would receive a wide majority of the votes, sorry to disappoint you Zak. Then again boxing is subjective and you can see it anyway you choose.