lewis never wanted any part of the klitschko's

Darn....Lewis-Klitschko discussions send this forum almost as loopy as Glass Jaws do!

 

The fact that it's really only Vitali fans who feel Lewis should have rematched tells you who needed the rematch more. Lewis has a "w" under his belt against Vitali and always will have. And he's got all the money he needs, so money wasn't a motivation - preserving his legacy was.

As for who won the second Holyfield fight, I've spend years on threads about this and have yet to see ONE credible round by round score which gave that fight to Holyfield. I've watched it several times and giving every benefit of the doubt to Holyfield on all the close rounds, I can't get it past 7-5 for Lewis. The fair score is actually 8-4 for Lewis. And it was a very easy fight to score, because whoever won each round for the most part, did so convincingly. So no way, no how, did Holyfield win that second fight.

In fact of the two fights it was actually 9-3 in the first and 8-4 in the second, for a combined score of 17-7, and even if you gave Holyfield another round in the second fight bring it to 16-8 it wasn't all that close.

Now the Mercer fight, that was closer and either fighter could have won it and no one really would have been robbed.

 

Stoppage on cuts while behind on the cards - paper win. Great fighters don't run from fights. Lewis ended his career cowardly ducking the rematch of the fight he won on paper.

 

no i think Lewis beat vitali (the better) klit. an old lennox sends wlad the '2010 tomato can smasher ' into a coma.

 

First back the holyfield fight. No he never won, not just judges say that, I've been involved in about as many threads over the years on that as I have been on this and nobody can make a credible case for Holyfield winning that second fight, you want to be the first, be my guest.

As for Lewis, being scared of Vitali, I guess it depends on what you mean. He wasn't scared of Vitali in the sense of worried about getting hurt, it was Vitali who looked like a train hit him, not Lewis.

But Lewis may have feared loosing a rematch then what would he have done?

Nobody wants to end their career on a loss, so in that sense yes, he probably realized he might not win a second time and there was no upside for taking the chance..if that equates to being scared, then I agree he probably was scared, of loosing.

If anything I think Lewis deserves all kinds of props for taking on someone like Vitali, who NOBODY, considers a push over. It's a very hard fight to take on when you're in the twilight of your career, and Lewis was forced to turn it into a dog fight and gut out a win. Other champs, such as Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey, even Tyson, were either retired or shot at aged 37, so no shame in getting out on top when you're that age.

But regardless, it was Vitali's fight to win or loss. You can't fight for the heavyweight campionship of the world, loose and expect to get a second chance, life rarely works like that. Vitali had Lewis hurt in the second and after the cut in the 3rd, he still have 3 additional rounds to try and put him away and he failed. Simple as that. It wasn't as if the stoppage was a huge surprise, probably more surprising was how long they let it continue.

 

Agreed 100%:good

 

When you're in a fight with someone with boxing gloves on how exactly do you get a paper win? These are fights, not crossword puzzles.

Lewis hit him with punches that caused a cut and not just one, at the end of the day there were at least 3, so he basically busted him up..I've been watching boxing for decades now, and this is as good a win as any.

In fact I can't think of another fight or fighter, who along with their fans can't accept the truth, which is that Vitali lost that fight, fair and square and he has only himself to blame for not getting lewis out of there when he had him hurt.

 

You couldn't be more wrong.

Leading on points = PAPER WIN

Leaving your opponent's face looking like it had been smashed with a baseball bat and sliced open with a kitchen knife = REAL WIN

 

bremen's been schooled. :bbb

 

Amazing how this topic turns up on a weekly basis. I really don't understand how Klit fans feel that Lewis had to fight a rematch to prove his champ status. He already beat Vitali once and literally tore him a new ******* on his face. The man had been boxing for the best part of 30 years and had nothing left to prove, except to a few dozen clearly mentally unstable Klitshcko fans. If the situation had been reversed, I'm sure Klit fans would be telling us that Vitali should be allowed to retire with dignity just like Lewis did. An old and unmotivated Lewis gave your boy more punishment than he's taken over his entire career, and pretty much in his prime as well. Them's the facts.

Oh, almost forgot. . .

Lewis TKO6

 

Look man, there's even an interview on the front page of ESB that I can't be arsed looking for where Vitaly said Lewis was heavy, out of condition, and slow.

He was at a career high weight.

What do you expect a fighter to say

"I'm the heaviest, I've ever been, I can't jog anymore because my knees are totally shot, I've achieved everything I ever set out to, and I really can't be arsed fighting any more unless it's for lots of money against chumps".

 

If you really need somebody to spell out Lewis's achievements for you, then you're insane.

the list of who he DIDN'T beat is shorter than the list of who he did.

Bowe (for obvious reasons)
Foreman maybe (but George has always said there was no way on earth he was getting into the ring with Lewis)
Moorer?
byrd?
Ruiz?

Come on now, be serious.

Who've I missed? The Tyson fight was too late (but any Tyson post-prison fights are too late IMO. Even the Tyson v Holy fights. Tyson had fought something like 5 rounds in 4 years before those)

Seriously, if you honestly need Lewis's achievements spelling out for you, and don't think he achieved much, then I'd really, really like to know what you make of Wlad and Vitalys' records.

 

Yes, that was the point I made. "Stuttering ******" is in fact VITLAYS first language.