Lewis (prime) vs. Bowe (prime)... Honestly!

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Longevity? Who cares if he has a similar run of fights.

Consistency? The guy lost one fight his entire career.

Durability? He didnt quit because of a shoulder injury or get his face detached by any fighter. BTW, he beat Golota twice. When he was faced with similar adversity in a fight that Klitschko had he kept getting up and forced Golota to foul out. He didnt concede to getting his ass kicked when he could no longer keep his opponent off of him.

 

which man of Lewis's style has Bowe ever overcome?

The difference is that, like tyson, vitali came back from a layoff and established himself at the top end of the division.

anyways the fact is clear: bowe is not clearly better than vitali. now that i've educated you on that subject we'll move on.

What advantages do you think Bowe poses which Lewis would be unable to overcome?

 

Honestly I get a sense that Lewis anally raped you and it was bowe who came to your rescue (not that he'd be much good in this situation but you get the metaphor)

The way you criticise Lewis and defend bowe absolutely reeks of bias.

"When he was faced with similar adversity in a fight that Klitschko had he kept getting up and forced Golota to foul out" I'm starting to think it's not even worth engaging you on the subject of bowe nor Lewis.

 

Bowe beat plenty of stand up boxers and guys who brawled with him.

So you have to quit from injuries or go to prison to prove your more consistent even if you had the same amount of fights?

Yeah sure buddy. Vitali hasnt beaten anything close to a prime Evander Holyfield. He couldnt even beat a shot Lennox Lewis.

Bowe was bigger, stronger and better than anything Lewis faced. He was a better infighter, better outside fighter and better overall fighter than anything Lewis ever saw. He wasnt going to have a nervous breakdown in the dressing room like Andrew Golota or stand there clueless on the inside and get pounded like Klistchko.
The Golota fight wasnt even a fight to compare anything with. Bowe would have taken Lewis into the same situation Ray Mercer had him in, only Lewis would be facing a better fighter. Lewis is probably the most overated fighter on this board.

 

I'm leaving it there. discussing these 2 with you isn't something I care to do any more.

 

This has left my thinking, 'who has a better resume, Vitali or Bowe?', I think I'd go with Bowe. Who beat better contenders aside from their big fights against Lewis/Holyfield? I'd give Bowe's resume an edge

Golota is still much better than Bowe though

 

Just stating the facts. You talk about consistency and mental toughness. Well Bowe showed more in every category to Klitschko. If you want to talk about Vitali being a more disciplined clean living fighter, I'd agree with that, but he wasnt better and he wasnt more consistent. The record speaks for itself. Bowe never quit in a fight, and he was never stopped. Yes Bowe made Golota quit and foul out, whats your take on it, Golota had to catch a cab or something?
Im not criticising Lewis, Im stating why I think Bowe beats him. I think Lewis was a great fighter, but I think at their peaks Bowe was better and the lengths to which people overate him on this board gets a bit annoying.

 

I'm sorry, the lines already been crossed. We'll leave it there regarding anything to do with Lewis or those who ducked him.

:good

 

Bowe undisputed heavyweight champion/two time champion

Golota undisputed quitter

but hes much better than Bowe just like Trevor Berbick is better than Ali and Larry Donald is much better than Holyfield. :happy

 

I think it is clear that Bowe is clearly better than Vitali. Bowe was a great heavyweight and I think you're incorrect in that he has an overrated beard. His chin was very solid and you are not taking into account the amount of punishment he took in the Holyfield fight.

It is Lennox who has a poor chin, as he was glossy eyed not knowing where he was after just one punch from 2 journeyman fighter on separate occasions.

 

Contradicts how? He was toasted by one punch by journeyman on two separate occasions. The only reason you are saying that he was not prime when he was champion at 29 years old IS BECAUSE HE GOT his clock cleaned by a journeyman! That's poor logic. To say that Lewis was "not prime yet" is stupid, because had he won, you would not say that. He was as good as he ever was, he was just exposed by a guy who was determined to win and he was KTFO.

So his prime was somewhere between those 2 KO losses. He wasn't prime at 30 years old, yet he was not prime at 36 years old.

Your logic is ******ed, as per usual when discussing Lennox Lewis. It's clear that you're nothing but a fanboy and you've got every excuse in the book to explain why he lost and still try to justify that he remains greatness.

I can't believe anybody voted that Lennox KO's Bowe. That's hilarious. Lewis is light work for Riddick Bowe and guys will sit on this forum and say that Lennox was not prime yet at the time the fight was being talked about, yet you believe that his management was ignorant to this fact at the time of negotiating when Lennox was still undefeated. Yeah right. That's why they put him in with journeyman Oliver McCall, because that should have been another win, yet Lewis was knocked clean out to where he could not even stand, ala Berbick.

 

Golotta twice dominated Prime Bowe :yep Not Shot Bowe, Prime Bowe coming off his career best win :yep

 

At this point Bowe was looking fat in his fights and was already showing signs of being punchy. How is that prime Bowe? Nice attempt at stretching reality to fit your opinion.

The win over Evander was a good win but not his best win, as Evander was not the fighter he was once either. Despite beating Tyson, Evander was on the slide at the time he fought Bowe, as he was already on the slide at the time he fought Tyson. He was still a very good fighter but he was not at his peak nor was Bowe.

And I don't remember Bowe being dominated as you say, but I do remember him retiring right after, punch drunk and obese...

"prime Bowe" thanks for the laugh.

 

The difference is that Bowe would go on to retire at the time I said he was obese and punch drunk, unlike Lewis who would go on to win many more fights. Make excuses for his conditioning all you want but that's all it is - an excuse.

The Tyson comparison doesn't work because we can visually see that Tyson was not the same fighter, he was in and out of prison and abusing drugs.

All primes are not the same. Bowe had a rougher way up, as Lewis did not, because he barely fought men with a pulse. There you go again with "fail" logic in that because Bowe was out of prime at 31, you can say Lewis was not prime at 31 or 36 either, but sorry FJay, that is not the way the sport of boxing works - you again are an idiot.

 

Ok, go on and tell me more about Lewis' prime. I don't care WHO is training you, McCall caught him with one punch on the chin and Lewis was lights out for the winter. I DON'T CARE WHO IS TRAINING YOU, Steward can't make your chin better!

The problem with Lewis, is he gets too many excuses for his poor performances and it seems a reason is never founded. Yeah, he got KO'd for a week by a journeyman because obviously he had the worst trainer in the history of boxing and needed Emanuel Steward.

Again you show your ass when you talk about Douglas. Douglas, when prepared, was a phenomenal fighter. He was given a reputation by the media as being a bum just to dramatize the Tyson win, but the fact is that he was a very, very good fighter, but he could never keep in shape. Prime Douglas on the best night of his life is not comparable to Oliver McCall - but you wouldn't know that because anybody who thinks that Emanuel Steward is going to protect Lewis' chin from a one punch KO is too stupid to grasp anything.

I knew Tyson was going to lose. 2 months before the fight Tyson was weighing over 300 pounds and was not able to train. He was fat, out of shape, and before the fight I remember talking with my uncle saying "Man Tyson looks like he is on drugs. What is wrong with him?"

This was further confirmed after the fight when he was even more messed up then it came to light that Tyson was antidepressants and tranquilizers. Try fighting with those.

It is always sad to see a once great champion taking beatings because he is broke so yes it was sad, but I knew it would happen and Lewis gets no credit for that win, unlike you who probably was listening to Lewis talk about how he "proved his greatness" by beating a fat out of shape doped up Mike Tyson who wasn't fit to beat Butterbean on that night.