Lewis Says Bowe's Management to Blame for Fight Not Happening

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    How are you arriving at this conclusion?

    Lewis did the same exact thing Bowe did--to two different fighters.

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  2. NoCoolFool?

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    No - totally disagree. Can't really see how one can make the comparison.
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    FACT: Bowe gave up the WBC rather than facing #1 contender Lewis
    FACT: Lewis gave up the WBA rather than facing #1 contender Ruiz
    FACT: Lewis gave up the IBF rather than facing #1 contender Byrd

    These are facts, how the hell can you disagree with them?

    :lol:
     
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  4. ClintMagnum

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    I can't believe someone would suggest Lennox would ever duck and avoid a fighter? Let's be real, Lennox had a few flaws but his heart and bottle and his belief in his ability was never in question. Lewis was always at his most dangerous and fittest when motivated and fighting against the best. The same can't be said for chubbs Bowe. He clearly ducked boxers. Shame though, would have been a storming fight.
    Fight prediction? Lennox wins by KO round 10!
     
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  5. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There was a tremendous thread on Bowe/Lewis a while ago. I think the general consensus was that Rock Newman out thought himself by telling Bowe to drop the strap and hold off on a Lewis fight.
     
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  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    You are talking out of your ass Rummy!

    Fact: Nobody wanted to see Lewis vs Ruiz (bar Don King)
    Fact: Lewis was expected to retire after beating Tyson
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    Rationalize it however you want.

    The fact remains, Lewis decided to give up the WBA and IBF rather than face Ruiz and Byrd. That's a fact!

    He did the same exact thing Bowe did to him, and any attempts for you to sugar coat this won't change the facts.

    :smoke
     
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  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Did Ricky Hatton duck Lovemore NDou?

    Did Joe Calzaghe duck Denis Inkin?
     
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  9. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    How is ANY of this provable?? Bowe didn't fight Lewis for the same reason that Lewis didn't fight those guys - there was more money to be made elsewhere.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Let's take a step back.

    FACT: Bowe gave up the WBC rather than facing #1 contender Lewis
    FACT: Lewis gave up the WBA rather than facing #1 contender Ruiz
    FACT: Lewis gave up the IBF rather than facing #1 contender Byrd

    When did I ever use the word duck?

    Seriously, I mean, these are facts!
    :lol:

    They are indisputable. I never really claimed anyone ducked anyone.

    I don't believe Bowe was afraid of Lewis and I do not believe that Lewis was afraid of Ruiz or Byrd, but this is irrelevant.

    The fact remains, in all three of the aforementioned instances, one fighter chose to RELINQUISH his belt rather than face his mandatory.

    Are we in agreement?

    :smoke
     
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  11. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think the scenarios differ.

    Lewis gave up his belts because there was no demand for the respective fights, and there were better fights in the pipeline at the time.

    Bowe effectively vacated the undisputed title, even though it was the fight everyone wanted - remember that was before the alphabets became so ridiculous. Other than an immediate rematch with Holyfield, where else was there to go other than Lewis?

    A few easy defences perhaps?
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    Why are you so reluctant to concede my point, Beeston?

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  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Its not that I don't concede your point, after all, loads of fighters have dumped titles rather than face mandatories, for loads of reasons.

    But sometimes those reasons differ!
     
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  14. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Not exactly. One easy defense, against Dokes, was the plan, and then a big money fight against Ray Mercer, followed by a rematch against Holyfield and then a huge unification match against Holyfield. At the time, both Mercer and Holyfield were better known and better regarded in the U.S. than Lewis was. Lewis was thought to be fairly unproven, and he was at this time.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

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    The reasons are entirely irrelevant. You're the one who is insisting on adding various qualifiers.

    At the end of the day, Lewis fans accuse Bowe of doing the exact same thing Lewis did TWICE to two different foes.
     
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