Lewis V Ali In Zaire?

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Who wins?

  1. Ali by ko?

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    22.2%
  2. Ali on points?

    6 vote(s)
    33.3%
  3. Lewis by ko?

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  4. Lewis on points?

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    33.3%
  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    How would Ali from the Rumble deal with a prime Lennox Lewis iyo?
    Lewis was an intelligent fighter, he wouldnt go blasting away at Ali, as George did.
    Ali s still facing a dangerous guy in Lennox, not as solid a chin as Foreman but a fighter that actually thinks before he throws.
    Whats the result?
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a very hard fight for Ali.
    A prime in the zone Lewis was a formidable prospect for anyone.
    One things for certain Lewis wouldn’t waste energy banking on an early stoppage like Foreman did.
    He would be much more measured looking to establish the jab.
    If he established the jab he could conceivably win a decision, though even with his power he’s not knocking Ali out.
    I suspect however that even though he was no longer the dancing master, Ali would still be able to show Lewis enough movement and angles to befuddle Lewis and eke out a close UD.
    It’s certainly no given though.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I agree with what you are saying to an extent because Ali was landing fantastic rear jabs really quick in the first round v Foreman and Lewis always had problems evading jabs because of his lack of head movement which is why Bruno and Mercer landed so many jabs on Lewis, however Ali said he stopped moving like that because of the blistering heat in Zaire which is why he changed to the rope a dope, I still think Ali would have beaten Lewis though, maybe on points or maybe stopping him, it`s just that I don`t think he`d be throwing that many more punches than he threw at George, and because of the heat would again revert to counter punch mode, Lewis got hit with a lot of counters during his career, Ali was just a better fighter, even though Lewis`s reach would bother him a lot.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis was more clumsy than Ali from the Zaire fight, he didn`t have much rhythm when he fought, Ali would have outboxed or outfoxed him.
     
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  5. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis beats by close decision 70s static Ali. 67 Ali would school lewis
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis was an excellent fighter at his best and so was was Zair version of Ali (still).

    Lewis would hold advantages in size, strength and power, while Ali would hold advantages in speed (still), chin, stamina and boxing IQ (Lewis himself had great one, but Ali's was exceptional). Lewis always had big problems with good jabbers and Ali was a great jabber. Ali, on the other hand, felt pretty comfortable when he faced taller and stronger opponents, but he never faced somebody with a combination of Lewis' size and skills.

    I'd say a fight between Zair version of Ali and prime version of Lennox Lewis would end by close decision for either of them. But I woudn't exclude a late TKO win for Ali
     
  7. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that’s fair comment.
     
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  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I'll go with this, I belive it'll be Ali by a extremely close decision. Got to factor in the heat to. Who'd be most affected after 15 hard rounds in the jungle, A lot of weight for Lennox to lug around for a long fight.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    I'm thinking a close Ali decision. He was still very formidable in Zaire even if well short of pre-exile. This is how great he was.
     
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  10. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali by close decision. This is the last version of Ali that I would pick over Lewis.
     
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  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis jab would bother Muhammed , but Ali's jab would do the same to him. Over the course of the fight Ali will be hitting Lewis with straight right hands countering him. As the rounds progress Lewis can't seriously hurt Ali's iron chin ,and in the stifling heat Lennox starts wilting like lettuce and this is a 15 rounder . Ali stops Lewis in the 14th.
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    This is a very possible scenario.
     
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis was stopped by Hassim Rahman and Oliver McCall. You are correct, and 15 rounds is a long time.
     
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  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The key too this is Ali's jab, and his Lead hand. Lewis didn't see many if any fighters that could hit him with lead rights. Very few fighters had the hands and foot speed to do it consistently. Lewis also had the habit of dropping his jab or hands after he punched.
    That would be asking Ali to hit him with counters. Of course he would. Meanwhile Lewis main weapon, his overhand right Ali could see coming from yesterday. Lewis didn't have Ali's kryptonite, a devastating left hook, for whatever reason, Ali had problems with.
    I see Ali peppering Lewis, tenderizing him, being smart enough to know their in 100 degree heat and humidity, Dundee surely would know it. He would tell Ali pace himself, move when he could. Make the big muscle man move his feet, let the heat and humidity do its thing. Get a totally spent Lewis out of their 10-12 rds, that's if Lewis has Steward in his corner. If Steward wasn't in his corner, very possible Ali gets him out of their even earlier.
     
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  15. LoadedGlove

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    I don't reckon any Fighter could have beaten Ali that night.
     
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