Lewis v Jeffries?

Is this the fight that has a video on youtube? Lol they fought in a ring that was smaller than a phone booth. Neither guy could miss with a punch as they were already so close together they couldn't avoid a punch if they wanted to.

 

No that's a reinactment not the real bout.

 

Right...my bad.

Some hot trunks on Jeffries though....no h0m0.

 

As times go by the understanding of how great every hwt was gets lost in time. This is especially true of that time period where film is such a poor quality. Even TODAY there are those that were not there at the time but instead look back on paper records and find huge faults with Ali. It is no surprise that ATG fighters where the entire population of that time has now long passed away are being questioned by the present generation. Just like we should not alter history and castigate the line of ATG since that time we should not do so with Jeffries.

We do know both Choynski and Fitz were considered Great fighters. The big rings and very small gloves of the day allowed them to keep away and still inflict damage even to much larger fighters. Again one needs to be careful to not picking paper records from such a bygone era.

 

And few of them were positive.

How many rounds is the key?

I do not think Jeffries is too small here. He would be 230-235 today.

Ibeabuchi vs Lewis, which did not happen would tell us a lot about this fantasy fight.

Jeffries could take a punch as good as anyone, and hit hard to the head or body. He was hardly one-dimensional like Tua was. Jeffries, in fact, had good footwork. Lewis was KO'2 twice by one punch and shameless had a high guard vs Holyfield to protect him from body shots. Jeffries was an all time body puncher.

12 or under I'll take Lewis via UD
20 or more I'd pick Jeffries via TKO
15 rounds 50/50

 

Really?

Look at the man's build and tale of the tape measurements and keep in mind Jeffries often trained down from 250-240 to 218-220. Part of the reason Jeffries trained down a bit was because he was facing some smaller and quick opponents.

With modern nutrition and PED's, you're talking about a 235-240 pound heavyweight easily.

Lewis himself was turned pro at 231 pounds and fought as low as 221 pounds.

In a performance many including myself think was one of Lewis very best Lennox was only 227 pounds vs Ruddock!

Now do you still think Jeffries is too light here?

 

Again..he was an ATG. No one is in any position to take that away from him. So many variables made the fights and fighters of that era what they were.....a very complex historical puzzle. Johnson was only a few years past the Jeffries era and I have no doubt concerning his greatness. Jeffries in my mind was also at that level based upon those who saw him at his best. Not a great technical boxer but instead a rugged fighter along the lines of Marciano. In any event we can discuss who wins vs Lewis and I have no issue with those who believe Lewis wins but Jeffries status as an ATG should not be questioned. If we do eventually all past ATG will fall by the wayside and I don't think anyone wants that to occur or thinks this is fair.

 

If you are talking to Mcvey your not going to convince him. He has an agenda vs. accomplished white heavies, and will go after Jeffries, Marciano, or Klitschko, sometimes not even realising his mistakes.

Corbett, Sharkey, Langford, Dempsey, Johnson, Burns and others think Jeffries was the best in their time. Fact. Could they all be wrong? Jeffries main problem is the lack of film, not reputation in his time!

 

Fool, he was 240 pounds in one fight. My information is fine, and as usual, you can't even quote me in full context. Why, because me data is too good and factual, contrary to your arguments.

To answer your silly question, Jeffries stopped Gus Ruhlin with a body shot. He his body shot hurt and floored others, often setting up a follow-up shot to end the fight. Now, you should feel stupid.

Your shoot first and aim later strategy isn't working either.:hi:

 

Again your are too bigoted to realize the PED factor. As stated, he was 240 pounds for a fight.

Today Jeffries would be bigger, stronger and heavier. In addition fighters tend to gain weight as their career progressed. Jeffries retired young.

You also fail to understand that if you're going 20-25 rounds, you need to be lighter. In a 12 era, you can afford to be heavier. Make sense?

If Jeffries were around today 230-235 easy. The man had 26" thighs and a 50 " chest. Few heavies in history can match this.

McCall was 237 and Rhaman was 238 when they essentially KO'd Lewis based on one punch.