Lewis v Jeffries?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ruhlin's corner threw in the towel. He wasn't counted out.

    BTW.George Siler the best referee in the US at the time ,said Ruhlin outboxed Jeffries to take the first 4 rds.
    You have no data and not even a modicum of sense.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    A body shot hurt and dropped him. He was done for. If that punch did not hurt and floor him to the point where he was hopeless, his corner does not throw in the sponge.

    You really approach a special level of stupid.
     
  3. Perry

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    Very true. Is this not the fight that is available to see, albeit see poorly, on YouTube?
     
  4. mcvey

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    I have the report of the fight and the statement of his manager. Ruhlin was retired on his stool by his manager.
     
  5. reznick

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    Mendoza is making some really good points here.

    Jeffries was a big dude. He had freakish body dimensions. And like Perry said, he rose in the ranks in a time period where the talent acquisition funnel was much larger.

    It's really hard to judge this one because we have to rely mostly on reports. But I know if you had to judge Marciano solely on paper, he would seem much weaker than he actually was.

    And Jeffries clearly downs Ruhlin with a body shot that prompted someone to stop the fight. Maybe not a KO, but a good clean KD.

    Also, Jeffries stamina and endurance could be a silver bullet against Lennox, who seemed to tire quick after a flurry of hard punches.
     
  6. mcvey

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    What was freakish about Jeffries body dimensions?
    In a one on one I would suggest that stamina and endurance are better tested against men not 30+ pounds lighter ,or 8 to 12 years older and preferably against men that are not coming out of 2/ 3 years retirement.
    Jefries only went 20rds once against a man near his size Ruhlin ,who at 200lbs was only 12 lbs the lighter man.
    Choynski went the 20rds distance with him but,as he was 52lbs lighter I think that says more about his stamina and endurance than Jeffries.
     
  7. Perry

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    Is there a technical way to take the film/video of the Jeffries-Ruhlin bout and restore it so its watchable? I believe I have seen a better version of this film slowed down so it can better be viewed but it's still impossible to judge. IF this video can be greatly enhanced it would answer many questions.
     
  8. reznick

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    Well it sounds like he had some of the biggest body measurements in history for his height. For a guy from the 19th century? Pretty remarkable.

    And he looks like a freak athlete
    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/JimJeffries-Pose-H.jpg


    I think fighting smaller guys would test your stamina better. Endurance can be tested outside the dimensions or ability of the other boxer. In a tough boxing match, if you're fighting as hard in round 15 as you were in round 1, you have great endurance.

    And if his reputation stands corrected, it sounds like he had great endurance. I think that would be a real problem for Lewis.
     
  9. reznick

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    I'm sure a big company with the resources like HBO would enhance the footage. Hell if they wanted to, they could colorize it too.
     
  10. Perry

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    Those fighters in those days were remarkably fit fighters. Prime Jeffries was huge and ripped and he came from a tough era even to live let alone fight. Same for Johnson who looks like some other world being with those cantaloupe shoulders of his.
     
  11. Perry

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    Well there is the holy grail. If that film could be hugely enhanced and cleared of defects so it could be logically followed we would have our answers concerning Jeffries.
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    given that Jeffries liked to fight smaller opponents he's more likely to fight Ted kid Lewis than Lennox.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Never seen Jeffries fight so can't say.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Do you know his body measurements yes or no?
    You made a statement that his were "freakish". I asked you what was freakish about them and you didn't answer.
    So you are saying a bigger man,[and we are talking from30 to 60 pounds in some cases,] needs more stamina when fighting a smaller man, then the smaller man does facing the bigger?
    Is this your contention?
     
  15. mcvey

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    Huge and ripped for his time ,but a smallish to average sized heavyweight today.