Lewis v Klitschko: the Cut

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  1. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    His mouth is always open and it's a wonder he hasn't had his jaw broken a dozen times. He's like Jordan and his tongue sticking out.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Also, with all this talk about how far past it Lewis supposedly was and how Vitali failed with that in mind...Why isn't anybody mentioning that Lewis is absolutely notorious for having matured late, just like Tyson was notorious for peaking so early? That he didn't seem hungry and let himself go a little bit is evident to me but he was as good as I've seen him in his two previous fights. I don't think age had as much to do with his less than stellar looking game that night as a combination of not training properly and fighting a top notch opponent he very much underestimated. An opponent that could give anybody hell on any given day.

    Failing to train properly would be his fault, not father time. That happens to a lot of young fighters too. Lewis was a beast for anybody in the division either way. ATG heavyweight, coming off some of his best wins and still the dominant champ, guys. Don't make it sound like Vitali got his face demolished by some crotchety old has been so far past his best he would be exposed as a fraud if he were to lose to him...He went life and death with one of the greatest who didn't come in top shape but was a beast nonetheless. Why is this controversial for anybody? A slightly faded and under-motivated Lewis pulled off an extremely hard fought victory at the end of his career against a great young fighter. Not, Lewis was shot and some overrated bum couldn't even finish him. Give both of these guys some damn credit. Yes, Lennox was easily losing on points but did the damage with his great strength and earned a victory. Yes Vitali proved himself by going toe to toe and scoring heavily against a truly great champion. No, it is not a disgrace for Vitali to have lost. Yes, the stoppage was correct in every way. Yes, Lennox had the right not to fight Vitali again. And because of that we can still understand his words when he let's loose brain droppings like "You know he's serious if he trains in Vegas...There are no nightclubs in Vegas." Then we can go "I understood what he said perfectly, but what the hell did he just say?"
     
  3. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man, I created a monster by starting this thread, unleashed a shitstorm. I started it because I was curious about the cuts, as I couldn't see a shot landing that was heavy enough to do the damage that resulted. I don't have a dog in the fight though. I'm a fan of both fighters. I just wish it could have gone the full 12. I do think prime Lewis beats Vitali nearly every time though.
     
  4. Vantage_West

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    but he hadnt been hit before or after. his defence has always been to lean back and dissappear into the clouds. he uses it very well. but i think a tall guy,big puncher,long reach,good inside (most big guys lewis fought get destroyed grant,golota,ruddock) and with championship level ability....was able to stop vitali form coming on. lennox clearly just forgot about boxing like most fo the times he fought guys who were bigger than him he was pretty aggressive. also a big right hand puncher who just concentrated on that left eye is gonna leave a mark.



    good thread
     
  5. janitor

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    Lewis no longer had the enthusiasm to train up to his best standard and he knew it could only go downhill from here.

    Perhaps you/we should be gratefull to see a champion retire at the top of his game with his physical and mental health intact.

    It is something that we dont see all too often.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree except for the point about Lennox not being past prime, he may have got better technically with age but his physical prime was around 92-95. He slowed down after that even if overall he may have been better

    Lennox started talking about retirement after Holyfield and only stook around for the big payday against Tyson.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Are you sure? It is fact that Lewis tired to make matches with Kirk Johnson and Mike Tyson after he fought Vitali.

    To say Lewis wanted to retire is BS. The fact is Vitali worked his way past Johnson, and the WBC told Lewis to fight Vitali or lose his belt!

    Lewis, who had a $15,000,000.00 pay day lined up, decided he was lucky the first time, and to retire rather than take a likely KO/TKO loss.

    That is the story.
     
  8. McGrain

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    That is pure opinion. To represent it as fact is dishonest. Given that they fought a year previously and Klitschko lost, especially.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wanted easy fights, that much was obvious, taking hard fights past prime when you have your mother/wife worrying about you and you have 50million in the bank isnt appealing
     
  10. Boxed Ears

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    I can go along with his physical prime being earlier but that he didn't technically mature till later. It's a good point. I wouldn't argue it.
     
  11. sauhund II

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    LOL, this post brings out all the Lemmie apologists.............feeding off washed up Holyfield?Tyson as "career defining " fights and when he meetsa guy who is not washed up, Grant/Rahman chinny, matches him for size and strengh he gets away with a unsatisfying win and pulls tail when it comes to a rematch. But he would have gladly drag Tyson to court a second time to milk the shell of a shell some more........

    All you Lemmie pubic hair floosers would be crying wolf til the 23 rd century if the shoe would have been on the other foot and VK would have ran away from a rematch with MEGA money involved.

    Anyway, I rather loose by cut while up on the scorecards instead of getting iced not once but twice by ONE shot from yourneyman. The only heavyweight in history btw.
     
  12. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you his accountant or do you work for Team Lewis ? If not , cut the BS with 50 mil in the bank.............he ain't got that kind of dough, not even close. Fact. The only way you make mega $$$ Jordan /Woods/Schumacher style is big time endorsements and we all know that he "definitely" is a zero in that department.

    Hell, he never could draw flies when he was active and needed other methusalem has beens to sell the fight.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Lewis told you this, or do you read minds?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I hate it when people criticize Lennox Lewis for retiring in 2004.
    For ****'s sake, he was talking about retiring from 2000 onwards, and was only hanging around to fight Mike Tyson.
    He should be commended for walking away from the massive purse offers to re-match Vitali Klitschko.
     
  15. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "He harpooned the whale!" :lol: