Lewis v Vitali K my observations

Rudyard · Dec 22, 2009

Quarteysjab said: ↑

Lewis was in top shape. He knew it was his farewell tour and learned from the complacence of the Rahman and McCall fights. He knew Vitali was a major threat and refused to fight him, handpicking Johnson instead. Vitali was taking him to court to get the shot. Lewis knew Vitali was confident and hungry to fight him.

Rumor has it the Vitali team paid Kirk Johnson to fake the injury, which forced Lewis to finally fight Vitali. Lewis was in great enough shape and felt great so he agreed. Johnson was later taken care of by getting the first crack at Vitali when he became champ.

Lewis was displased but relieved with the ref stoppage. he knew he didn't really win and felt semi ashamed that he refused to go over and congratulate Vitali. When he saw how pissed off Vitali was, and how the crowd united for him, Lewis became agitated and this is why he vented angrily on Larry Merchant. Lewis was not a happy content winner but frustrated with his performance and how Vitali stole the show. Vitali became champion that night in the eyes of the world, as Wladimir paraded him around the ring like the hero.

Then Lewis was booed out of the arena and Vitali was cheered like a triumphant hero.

Bottom line is they both won and both lost on that wild wonderful amazing night in HWT history, which will never be duplicated.
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Lay down the crack son...That **** kills...What the **** are you talking about?:rofl :rofl

sofanii · Dec 22, 2009

Marciano said: ↑

Lewis have Destroy this **** Roboter Sister Round 4-5 Lewis have Dominated Vitali . After Ali - Marciano- Luis Foreman- Tyson- Holyfield- Bowe- and More Lennox Lewis is The Last Real Heavyweight King No Doubt !!!
Klitschkos Dominated a Bull**** Division and Very Very Boooring Sorry its Better To go sleep But not to see Klitschko Fights
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Nobody forces you to watch their fights...
But you can't deny, they truly rule the heavyweight division!

manhattanboxer3 · Dec 22, 2009

anybody else heard the story about lennox's mother looking into vitali's eyes and telling her son not to give him a rematch?

sofanii · Dec 22, 2009

Furey said: ↑

Vitali won the early rounds, but Lewis was catching up with him. Even if the fight hadn't of been stopped because Lewis smashed half his face in, Vitali was going to get beat because Lewis was starting to get into the fight..... and this was a Lennox Lewis who wasn't in top shape.
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I don't agree! I think Lewis was tiring as the fight progressed and definitely was going to get beat....

rainmaker · Dec 22, 2009

I dont know when some of you last saw the fight, but I watched it yesterday and no, Vitali did not steal the show or become champ. Vitali has a good few rounds. It appeared as though Lennox underestimated Vitali early on, and later adjusted, started to get his timing down and he was landing shots. Cut or no cut, Lewis was starting to get success. With only half the number of rounds gone, I think Lewis would have found a way to win, or it would have been very close on the scorecards in the end, but in no way was Lennox getting a beating for those entire 6 rounds as some people are suggesting.

It was a close fight, and I think Lennox would have come through it, albeit having fought maybe the fight of his life, as he was taken out of his comfort zone and had to fight at a pace he maybe had not operated at for a while.

It was a great fight, with an older (and yes out of shape Lewis) With Vitali it's an interesting one, truth is we don't know how great a fighter he actually is. I mean who has he beaten that was any good since Lewis? Where are the fights that define his legacy? Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, Danny Williams, Sam Peter, Juan Carlos Gomez, Chris Arreola, Kevin Johnson.

I dunno, none of these guys could be considered world class. I mean it's not Vitali's fault but most of these guys are fat, out of shape heavy weights who don't exactly carry a massive punch either. Lewis had a decent dig, and caused a lot of damage, and on top of that, he was the best fighter of that era, who had beaten everyone and won every belt.

It's Not Vitali's fault, but he's been served up a real crop of nobodies some of whom have no discipline and commitment to their chosen profession, merely showing up, giving it a lot of talk and picking up a pay day. Based on his resume, I don't think in no way can you consider Vitali a great champion. A good champion, a solid one, who never really got tested due to the very shallow talent pool in the heavyweight division.

DAGOBOY · Dec 23, 2009

elTerrible said: ↑

Thats the thing, Lewis was underprepared but its not like Vitali wasnt either.

People act like Vitali wouldnt have trained differently if he knew he was facing Lennox Lewis versus Boswell whats his name.
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vitali was there to make a statement to get the world to demand a fight with lewis. lewis on the other hand was getting ready to fight a mandatory who pulled out. there is a huge difference and a huge lesson learned. always train for the best.

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even vitali and vitali's trainer were surprised at how out of shape lewis appeared to be for the fight.

Farmboxer · Dec 23, 2009

Lewis' promoter signaled Lewis' doctor to signal Lewis' referee to stop the fight to save Lewis from being knocked out in the very next round. Lewis' nose was very badly broken, Lewis was staggered. Vitali did not even try to use his defense, he just threw caution to the wind and kicked Lewis' arse. Angelo Dundee said that Vitali was cheated out of the title that night.

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

cilldara11 said: ↑

In a word - no. There doesn't seem to be. But for all the negative comments you can make about Haye, I firmly believe he's the 3rd best heavyweight in the world. He's got the best chance of knocking Vitali or Wlad off their perch.
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Will not happen, Haye does not have it in him, unless running the mouth counts :hi:

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

keith said: ↑

That was amazing you could say all of that out with his **** in your mouth.

Have you been watching boxing for only 2 years or something. Go back and watch some Schmeling, Ali, Holmes, or even Patterson for God's sake.

Keith
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Good debate here about boxing, Then... "his **** in your mouth". Have to put **** that in there ****. Debate boxing or **** of *******.:deal

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

ripcity said: ↑

First of all Lewis is almost as big as Vitali and has a longer reach. He also ate a lot of punches himself.
To beat Vitali one needs to.
1. Be nearly as big or at least have a reach that is close to that or longer than Vitali's.
2. Have a great chin. Youhave to throw 1,2 and 1,2,3 combos. This means you are also going to get hit.
3. Either be able to land those punches early and/or have outstanding stanima. So you can get to him late.
None of the above garunties a win over Vitali.
Vitali is a smart boxer with one of the higest ring IQ's in heavyweight history. He is also one of the hardest punchers as well.
His jab is a battering ram a great offensive weopen. He also has a great stright right.
While his punches are hard he seems to wear down his opoents rather than take them out with one punch. He also throws one punch at a time which creates a tiny opening for a combo.
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Agree 100%

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

Drexl said: ↑

No, he fights exactly the same way every time. If he was able to adjust like you claim, he would have found a way to overcome Johnson's defence. He would also have found a way to keep Byrd at bay for a couple of rounds. He would also have found a way to avoid being hit repeatedly on an obvious target (the eye) vs Lewis.
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Are you retarted?

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

mrbassie said: ↑

No it isn't, he was heavier than he'd ever entered the ring before and noticably soft. Showing also that he hadn't learned from the Rahman experience that you shouldn't take it easy in the gym just because you're scheduled to fight a soft opponent (soft in every sense of the word in that instance.)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're simply ill informed and not out and out lying because of some absurd agenda. Vitali was scheduled to fight on the undercard, can't remember who the opponent was off the top of my head but that's by the by.

Lewis certainly didn't look good, in fact you're contradicting yourself in saying it is fallacy that he was out of shape. He didn't look good in that fight nor in good shape, no timing, soft body = out of shape.
As for the cutS-note the plural: The first cut was caused by a grazing punch, no arguments here. It was on the lid of the left eye. So now could you please account for the second cut on the same eyelid, the cuts below the eye and the bleeding inside the mouth? I would appreciate it. Also account for Vitali almost going down in the sixth, presumably a delayed reaction to the lucky grazing punch.

Mine is that he struggled with a guy he probably felt wouldn't have been all that difficult for him were he a few years younger and thought 'You know what? It's time to hang 'em up.'
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Love how assholes make excuses for Lewis, not in shape.....ect..ect..STFU with the bull****...who retired who? Answer that assholes.

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

BoxingFanNo1 said: ↑

Take away Manny's words. Using our eyes did that look like a record breaking Lewis to you and I or did it look like a guy who didn't have the dedication of yesteryear.

I'm not doubting Manny said those things but just cause he said it doesn't make it true.
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Or was vitali beter in that fight then you give him credit for?

Fan2010 · Dec 24, 2009

Farmboxer said: ↑

Lewis' promoter signaled Lewis' doctor to signal Lewis' referee to stop the fight to save Lewis from being knocked out in the very next round. Lewis' nose was very badly broken, Lewis was staggered. Vitali did not even try to use his defense, he just threw caution to the wind and kicked Lewis' arse. Angelo Dundee said that Vitali was cheated out of the title that night.
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:thumbsup

Brit Sillynanny · Dec 24, 2009

It's dumbass week every week on ESB. Vit was stunned, delirious, and his eye was dragging on the ground. Wake up morons. ****.

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