Lewis vs Bowe: Who would have won in the pros?

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You read and liked Griffo's post yesterday and only posted this because of how insecure my post made you feel. I just felt like pointing that out.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can tell you with absolute 100% honesty i never read your post mate - i seldom ever do.

    I thought that should be pointed out too. Young Griffo has been a top poster for many years and definitely knows his stuff.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Im not convinced. You wouldn't have made that post if it wasn't for my counter argument. I know that because you read and liked the post yesterday and posted nothing.

    I thought it was petty and a showing of insecurity so felt like pointing it out , thats all.
     
  4. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What can I say, I have more confidence in my ability to read people than I have in yours. If the perception is mutual we're at an unresolvable impasse.
     
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  5. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think what we can all agree on is that Lennox Lewis has gotten significant mileage out of this fight not happening.

    A large part of it stems from how his career has turned out; the Lewis legacy was never appreciated in real time and is only viewed positively in retrospect because it's defined by having few blemishes and beating every man he faced including avenging all his losses and having the names of top fighters on the resume. It because of that he's been given the benefit of the doubt, handed the assumptive win.

    Bowe on the other hand is more potential than accomplishments; winning the trilogy against Holyfield, who went on to beat Mike Tyson is what his legacy rests on. He was a complete fighter, very polished and when on form he could at the very least compete with anybody past or present. Bowe tends to unfairly get the short end of the stick when it comes to the negotiations with Lewis for the fight.

    The $3 million dollar offer probably wasn't attractive enough for Lewis's camp back then especially since the purse was a $32 million dollar purse. However the 2nd offer Rock Newman made for an $11 million dollar guarantee, Frank Maloney **** the bed on that one. He turned it down because they wanted a 50/50 split while bringing absolutely nothing to the table aside from being the mandatory to 1 of 3 belts.

    I can understand why the Bowe camp didn't want to feel bullied by the challenger into making concessions that they don't feel is warranted especially since they were the undisputed and undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the world. But the Lewis camp did return after rejecting the generous 2nd offer, hat in hand, and ready to accept the $11 million guarantee only for Rock Newman to tell them that the offer has since been pulled from the table and they are moving on.

    Soon it became less about the fighters and more about ego and boxing politics. Newman seemed to want to establish the new pecking order of heavyweight boxing and thought by punishing the Lewis camp it would backfire on them. But shortly, the negotiations fell through because the situation was overtaken by events; Bowe lost the rematch to Evander Holyfield. Lewis was knocked in 2 rounds by Oliver McCall.

    They both went on the comeback trail both eager to get back up to the top of the division. After the rubber match with Evander, Bowe was determined to get the big fight with Lewis. Tyson coming out of prison was a ****** wrench; both Lewis and Tyson wanted him and each other. Long story short a fight was planned in Sept 1996 with Lewis taking on Mercer as his tune up bout and Bowe taking on Golota on his tune up about. The rest is history.

    I believe that if Bowe vs Lewis took place in 1993-1994, Bowe would have beaten him senseless. However anytime after 1995 I think it's all Lewis.
     
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  6. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with everything after your first paragraph so I'll just voice my disagreement. Whether my perception of that exchange is accurate or not, I promise you it isn't colored by what I would like to see. If anything I'd prefer (slightly) to believe that Bowe is the better fighter.

    Also, I know this is going to seem pedantic but psychologists don't have any exclusive skill set that makes them uniquely able to read people. I would argue they're not even especially good at it, on the average.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well you would be wrong. I have a quick look in here in the 15 minutes or so i get spare prior to starting work early morning, my time. When i get home in the afternoon or that night i have time to have a better look around and if need be post.

    So you are calling me petty for something that happened only in your imagination. No post of yours could possibly make anyone feel insecure at any rate. Your reputation precedes you.
     
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  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The evidence speaks for itself.
     
  9. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough mate not pedantic at all either. Interesting insight.

    I just didn't see either guy looking especially scared one way or the other and I doubt either was. They're fighters and fighters generally aren't scared of each other. Their managers, promoters, trainers etc may be but the fighters themselves, it's rare in my experience.
     
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  10. archdeacon99

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    In fact he is holding his earpiece because he anticipates Bowe throwing a punch so his hand is there to block it if it comes and to throw his own punch.
    The whole bowe lewis saga is documented here
     
  11. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One gets ko'ed by absolute Palookas in his prime by ONE freaking punch twice and according to the forum experts who have never seen a gym from the inside it is a foregone conclusion that he would beat a short prime but extremely talented big man with serious skills who has ONE extremely close loss on his record against a ATG......easy to hit , lol, if he was that easy to hit how come he was never stopped ?

    Once Lemmie goes down , he stays down, fact.

    That Lemmie from that clip above gets stopped by Bowe, no doubt..........a pawning jab with no snap and a telegraphed predictable right behind it spells distaster right there.........if glass cannon Rahman and Crackhead McCall can land a right at will at Lewis's borderline glass Bowe will have a field day.

    Bowe has a thin resume on the absolute top level but he managed to beat in his legacy fights a prime undefeated Holyfield from pillar to post and stopped him cold in the 3rd, a real stoppage not a towel stoppage when he was shot against Toney.

    Both Lewis and Holyfield do not have a similar win on their ledger...........there legacy fights are a shot to shid Tyson impersonator.
     
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  12. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The main reason Lewis -Bowe never happened was Rock Newman. He NEVER EVER had any intention of letting Bowe in the ring with Lennox
    Heis worfs to me in Dallas were " Why risk iy a;; against Lewis when folk will buy Dokes & Ferguson " I said ": He's not the real champ till he meets & beats Lennox.. Newman held up the belts & said " We got these though"
     
  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Active Member Full Member

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    It's interesting how Bowe fans seem to ignore the Golota fights. Surely these should be considered when assessing Bowe's chances.
     
  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It’s really not relevant unless that is the timeline of the fight, if we are picking him at his best I would say conditioning and skill wise we want to look at Holyfield I....just like I don’t envision Lewis from Rahman I unless we are looking at that timeframe. I guess we could always choose someone who is at their best and put them against someone in decline? If that is your thing go for it, but I prefer to think of them both at their best unless we decide on what specific timeline is being looked at.

    Edit: Not a Bowe fan or a Lewis fan for whatever it is worth. I am more disappointed that we are relegated to discussing this as an imaginary fight rather than looking back at what might have been
     
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  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bowe, but tentatively if they meet right after Holyfield 1 (Tentatively because I feel Lewis had the mental edge, and with bowe, that is a recipe for disaster. I'll still barely pick him because I don't think Lewis at that stage was ready for THAT Bowe. If it's a best for best, I would pick Lewis more confidently than I picked Bowe earlier.
     

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