Lewis vs Tyson primes

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  1. ThePlugInBabies

    ThePlugInBabies ♪ ♫ Full Member

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    oh didn't you know? tyson gets a free pass for this loss because on the flight over to japan he left his prime and went into the 'shot' phase of his career. :roll:

    just like lewis has no one to blame but himself for being unprepared and getting his arse kicked by rahman, the same should apply here, tyson has no one to blame but himself for his shoddy showing v douglas, and defending him for it is lame and a job for the nuthuggers.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Of course, but in the meantime, Bonecrusher smothered Tyson's offense in a very affective way (at cost to his own offense).

    Lewis is more adept at infighting (primarliy defencive) than anyone Tyson has faced. He is heavier and knows more about controlling the action with his weight. He can punch with good leverage from a clinch (As Tyson knows).

    You've used Bonecrusher as an example of why Tyson would beat Lewis. I think it is a paramount example of the opposite.

    What proof do you have to back this outrageous statement?
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Do you give Lewis a pass in the Rahman fight?
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes. One of boxing's biggest myths is that


    Jab + lateral movement + bravery


    Is the equation for beating Tyson.

    I really don't even know where it came from.
     
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  5. ThePlugInBabies

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    yes, because saying lewis and tyson deserve equal stick for their losses against rahman and douglas is sooooo crazy :patsch you're the one saying giving tyson a free pass because his life was 'so ****ed up'. didn't harm him before that fight though did it?

    both were undercooked, both got what they deserved.

    but only one came back to avenge his defeat :deal
     
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  6. Holmes' Jab

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    Agree with near enough everything here, except for the big favourite tag.

    My take is that it's a 50/50 fight. :good
     
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  7. McGrain

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    But who's fault is that? If Tyson is up all night ****ing hookers and drinking two days before a fight he is an idiot. Of course he will lose in the composite sport that is boxing. He must blame himself.

    I blame Tyson, as an adult male, for the way he lived his life. Similairly, I hold Lewis responsible for his loss in South Africa.

    He "endured" surrounding himself with the wrong people in his personal and business life. The circustances are mostly self inflicted. I still don't see how this impacts upon Lewis in South Africa and where you stand over that.

    Yes. Clean living, dedication to training and the sport he loved.

    Both made stupid mistakes,yes. Are you suggesting there's a difference?

    I think that's pitiful. Really pitiful. Nuthuggery of the worst order because it apples rules of judgement unevenly.
     
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  8. ThePlugInBabies

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    my point wasn't that tyson didn't have a tough life, i'm fully aware of the troubles he has faced throughout his life, my point was it is rather a
    convenient arguement to use and that it didn't seem to bother him in every other pro fight leading up to his bout with douglas.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Ah, here we go, quite literally the last bastion of the wrong, insulting the guys mother.

    If you are trying to say that Tyson is damaged goods basically, I will have to repeat myself (much to your disgust, but you just don't seem to be getting it). BOXING IS A COMPOSITE SPORT. If Tyson is weak mentally, damaged mentally, or has mental problems, of course that is going to impact his results. You can't just dismiss those results.

    Nice.

    Tyson made a series of choices that you say cost him a match.

    Lewis made a series of choices that I say cost him a match.

    Where's the problem here?

    Yes, defending your opinion certainly isn't your style. Instulting a guys mother is.
     
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  10. TheGreat

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    They were also light on there feet. Before Tyson got old he NEVER had problems with big strong stationary fighters who could bang his most competetive fights were against guys who could match his speed or atleast were just a little bit slower but could move, Bruno, golata, and Ruddock were hard punchers with good jabs but Tyson destroyed them.
     
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  11. BigReg

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    I've had this debate with so many people. A prime Tyson gets his ass kicked by a prime Lewis. This fight wouldn't even be that close.
     
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  12. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly right.

    Perhaps 1 or 2 times out of 10 Tyson gets lucky.
     
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  13. josak

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    :lol: u r funny. I'll give Lewis a chance here but were talking prime Tyson -- not the guy who fought Douglas, Rudduck, Holyfield, Lewis etc... this is the guy who took out spinks in 90 seconds; the motivated, hungry, wrecking machine of the late 80's. In my book, Lewis gets KO'd 9 times out of ten, but believe what you want.
     
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  14. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson has also been hit flush more times than Lewis.

    In the match up I take Tyson via KO.

    Not an easy fight for either but Tyson's aggression will keep Lewis fighting a fight not suited for him.
     
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  15. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Lewis has said himself he wouldn't want to fight a prime Tyson.
     
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