Lewis vs Tyson primes

Just a few fights that come to mind, that show Tysons outstanding infighting ability, that come to mind. Maybe you can go back and watch Tyson earlier in his career against fighters like Berbick, Ribalta, Biggs, Holmes, Williams, Frazier, Bruno, and Tubbs and even Ruddock. I dont think you will ever say that Tyson was a bad infighter after watching them. Tyson had tendencies to slow down at times in fights on the inside, but his entire fighting style during a fight was being the shorter man forcing his way inside to land punches from the outside. It was a very intense tough fighting style.

 

Berbick: Most of the damage was done at midrange first - then when Berbick was beaten Tyson throws a left hook from close. Don't remember this fight that well but who can forget that memorable first knockdown where Tyson is charging from the outside and backing up Berbick.

Ribalta: I faintly remember this as a great Tyson performance.

Holmes: No, most of the work was done from midrange. See that first AWESOME knockdown - from midrange- he was excellent at attacking while coming in.

Frazier: Midrange - then the final seconds when Marvis is on the floor Tyson comes real close.

Bruno I: Only the finish was on the inside.

Ruddock: Agreed - except Ruddock was one of the dumbest boxers I've ever seen.

I like Tyson, he's in my top 10, but he never was a GOOD inside fighter. He had the potential to be the BEST inside fighter (best combination of speed, power, chin among all swarmers) but he neverl lived up to it.

If he was even GOOD - he would have been at least SOMEWHAT competitive on the INSIDE against Douglas & Holy (he was competitive overall but not on the inside). Sure he wasn't at his prime in those fights but he was comparable and far from shot. Why did he do zilch?

I don't mean to nag, this is my last post on the subject -this is my opinion. Tyson was a top 5 PUNCHER, top 10 fighter, but NOT a good inside fighter. Excellent midrange fighter.

 

He was a good in-fighter, period. I have all of his fights. He could of did more at times, but to call him a bad infighter is simply a joke.

 

rahman ko'ed a prime lewis nuff said

 

it.

If he was even GOOD - he would have been at least SOMEWHAT competitive on the INSIDE against Douglas & Holy (he was competitive overall but not on the inside). Sure he wasn't at his prime in those fights but he was comparable and far from shot. Why did he do zilch?

Throw out the Holyfield fight, that was a post prision fight. Even so Tyson still managed to land a huge right left to the body that staggered Holy in the fifth. Probably his best rally in the entire fight.
As far as Douglas, he landed an uppercut in the 8th on the inside against the ropes that dropped Douglas, who almost didnt make the count, remember?

 

Tyson, Lewis talking about sparring together,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M-qwtodQ_XE

 

Ah, now I get the irrational Lewis hating in the other thread.....you're a Tyson fan..

 

prime at 35 aye!!!!!! and at 30 pounds heavier than his best performance [Ruddock]
Being old, slower and heavier means he was physically not at his prime. Nuff said!

 

Actually Im a fan of both. Hating or reality? Or something you dont like to hear? It humors me the majority of people who judge Tyson's career, never even watched him during the 80's. The same can be said for Lewis in the early 90's. Its about putting the fighters in the proper perspective during their respective careers.

 

Why was Ruddock his best performance. Ruddock went onto to accomplish nothing after his beatings by Tyson. He was ko'd by Lewis, ko'd by Morrison, and fell off the map.
Lewis himself will tell you that he came into his prime far later than most fighters, and it all started for him after the Mercer fight, far from his win over Ruddock. Until then, he was very inconsistent, against the upper echelon of the division. Losing to Mcall, getting badly hurt by Bruno. Lewis became a real fighter after the Mercer fight, and he suffered his worst defeat in his prime against Rahman.

 

Only a moron would suggest Lewis was in his prime V Rahman. Congratulations, moron :good

 

Lewis 5 times outta 8.

 

I love guys like you who offer nothing but stupidity to back up their feelings. How about making some vaild points about boxing you schmuck.

 

Beware of using hindsight though...whether you admit it or not you were wrong on the Grant/ Ruiz/ Byrd thing......

 

This was Lewis' prime. If it wasnt he sure didnt do much in his other prime.

2002-06-08249¼Mike Tyson23449-3-0The Pyramid, Memphis, Tennessee, United StatesWKO812~ time: 2:25 | referee: Eddie Cotton | judge: Alfred Buqwana | judge: Anek Hongtongkam | judge: Bob Logist ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~
Lewis vacated the IBF title after this fight

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2001-11-17246½Hasim Rahman23635-2-0Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada, United StatesWKO412~ time: 1:29 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Patricia Morse Jarman 30-27 | judge: Dave Moretti 30-27 | judge: Dalby Shirley 30-27 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~

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2001-04-22253½Hasim Rahman23834-2-0Carnival City, Brakpan, Gauteng, South AfricaLKO512~ time: 2:32 | referee: Daniel Van de Wiele | judge: Dave Parris 39-37 | judge: Valerie Dorsett 39-37 | judge: Thabo Spampool 39-37 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~
2001 Upset of the Year - Ring Magazine

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2000-11-11249David Tua24537-1-0Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada, United StatesWUD1212~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Jerry Roth 117-111 | judge: Dave Moretti 119-109 | judge: Chuck Giampa 118-110 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~

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2000-07-15250Francois Botha23740-2-1New London Arena, Millwall, London, United KingdomWTKO212~ time: 2:39 | referee: Larry O'Connell | judge: Chuck Williams 10-9 | judge: Roy Francis 10-9 | judge: Al Bennett 10-9 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~

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2000-04-29247Michael Grant25031-0-0Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United StatesWKO212~ time: 2:53 | referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: Melvina Lathan 10-7 | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 10-6 | judge: Steve Weisfeld 10-6 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ IBO heavyweight title ~

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1999-11-13242Evander Holyfield21736-3-1Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United StatesWUD1212~ referee: Mitch Halpern | judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112 | judge: Bill Graham 117-111 | judge: Jerry Roth 115-113 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~
~ vacant IBO heavyweight title ~

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1999-03-13245Evander Holyfield21536-3-0Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United StatesDPTS1212~ referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 116-113 | judge: Eugenia Williams 113-115 | judge: Larry O'Connell 115-115 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
~ WBA heavyweight title ~
~ IBF heavyweight title ~

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1998-09-26243Zeljko Mavrovic21427-0-0Mohegan Sun Casino, Uncasville, Connecticut, United StatesWUD1212~ referee: Frank Cappuccino | judge: Tom Kaczmarek 119-109 | judge: Bob Logist 117-112 | judge: Franco Ciminale 117-111 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~

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1998-03-28243Shannon Briggs22830-1-0Boardwalk Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United StatesWTKO512~ time: 1:45 | referee: Frank Cappuccino ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~
Briggs down 3 times.

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1997-10-04244Andrew Golota24428-2-0Caesars Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United StatesWKO112~ time: 1:35 | referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Marty Denkin | judge: Chuck Hassett | judge: Barbara Perez ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~

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1997-07-12242Henry Akinwande237½32-0-1Caesars Tahoe, Stateline, Nevada, United StatesWDQ512~ time: 2:34 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Terry Smith 40-35 | judge: Larry O'Connell 40-35 | judge: Dalby Shirley 38-37 ~
~ WBC heavyweight title ~

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1997-02-07241Oliver McCall23728-6-0Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United StatesWTKO512~ time: 0:55 | referee: Mills Lane | judge: Anek Hongtongkam 40-36 | judge: Larry O'Connell 39-36 | judge: Dalby Shirley 40-35 ~
~ vacant WBC heavyweight title ~

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1996-05-10247Ray Mercer23823-3-1Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United StatesWMD1010~ referee: Arthur Mercante Jr. | judge: George Colon 96-94 | judge: Luis Rivera 96-95 | judge: Melvina Lathan 95-95 ~

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1995-10-07241Tommy Morrison22745-2-1Convention Center, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United StatesWTKO612