Lewis vs. Vitali II

Amazing this is so controversial. What would have happened if Schmeling and Frazier never gave Louis and Ali rematches? Those fights were incomparably more one sided than Vit Lewis. And, just like Vitali, Louis and Alis historical standing would have suffered from the gap on there resume, and you'd get people like some of these posters saying how neither ali or Louis would have a chance in a rematch so there was no point.

 

Vitali didn't beat Lewis though did he?
Lewis was beaten twice he avenged both fights with emphatic ko's.His resume sh*ts all over Vitali's!

 

In fights like these, when one fighter comes in undertrained or underprepared yet still guts out the win, the rematch almost always goes their way. A lot of people thought Kovalev would smash the hell out of Ward considering how well he did in the first fight. Didn't work out that way at all.

It was actually a good thing for Vitali they never rematched. Had it happened I have no doubt he would have been destroyed in brutal fashion. He was already on his way to a stoppage loss in the first fight anyway, so it's not like there's a huge controversy about the victory, at least not in any right thinking person's mind. As it stands, Vitali and his fans can cling to the Pyrrhic victory of the first fight while keeping alive the belief that he has never truly been defeated.

 

Although the momentum would have been with Vitali,being the younger man,a properly trained and motivated Lennox may have wrenched another victory out of himself. He would have to have forced another stoppage,cuts again or tko,though. Lewis no longer had the stamina to outbox 'Ironfist' over the distance.

50/50 one.

 

This is just absurd in my opinion.The argument that an out of shape fighter would do better than an inshape fighter is unheard of. And you conveniently left out that an inshape Lewis has more stamina.

 

If Lewis would come in out of shape and with his added age, I would actually accept a possibility of a Vitali win.
However, I do not think that is a realistic scenario because Lewis came in better prepared in his previous rematches!

 

First of all, it was Vitali who was gassing and hurt in the 6th round. Then your premise is that Lewis would come in unprepared and unmotivated the 2nd time when in fact Lewis came in better prepared and motivated for his rematches.It would seem to me that your opinion is not actually based on past evidence.

In a way that is precisely the reason why Lewis retired, he did not had the motivation to get in top shape and knew that not being would be a big gamble.

 

As i have said previously on this debate.

That amount of stiches and scar tissue does not bode well for Vitali, let alone just 6 months down the line.
A few solid shots and they open right up again.

 

Did you read my post? He didn't get an opportunity to beat Lewis after the first fight. He inarguably did alot more in fight to deserve the opportunity than Ali or Louis in fights they got to avenge.

 

Your argument is still textbook absurd. I left out stamina because I don't see how it would be a significant factor in this fight. I give logic, you give agenda. Keep trying, but you should really read up on Dunning Kruger. You're textbook.

 

Hells no

Hurt, yes.

He may well not have been motivated to face Vitali again after he found out what big Klitschko was all about. BEFORE that fight he was banging on about "aging like fine wine" and fighting Vitali, then Tyson, then Wlad. He lost his appetite for boxing AFTER the Vitali fight.

 

If Lewis could have beat him again, the fight would have happened. Remember Lewis didn't announce his retirement until after Vitali beat Johnson and set the rematch in stone.

 

The idea that a fighter does better out of shape than in shape is completely absurd. That is all I gotta say.

 

Actually I agree with you.Lewis knew he had to get in tip top shape for the rematch and didnot have the desire to do so.He may have continued to fight the Kirk Johnsons of the world in semi-in shape

 

Then you have a small mind that goes by convention and not reason. I suppose you think young George Foreman would have done better in every single matchup than old George Foreman? Styles make fights, and weight can mean more than being "in shape", depending on the matchup.