Lewis vs. Vitali II

Look, stupid arguments like yours will get debunked with simplicity all the time.There is just no need at all to get even a little bit sophisticated.

- Your main argument that a boxer would do better out of shape than in shape is pure nonsense and unheard of all. It is as simple as that. It is just a stupid idea and you won't find anybody who agrees with it.

- If not in proper shape, added weight does a lot more harm than good.That is also a fact as it has been shown in several fights. Since your main argument is rubbish, you made a weak attempt to hide behind some kind of weight argument, but that does not work as well.

There really is nothing more to say and quite frankly I have lost interest in arguing with you.

 

Lennox always did better in rematches and considering he won the first fight by stoppage despite being uninterested and out of shape there's only going to be one winner in a rematch.

 

Awesome, so super-fit motivated Lennox would have inevitably won the rematch against bleeding quitter Vitali.

Which begs the question:

WHY DIDN'T HE DO IT????

Instead he left the sport looking like a whipped feline.

 

On face value I'd say Lewis is the better fighter by far but I think he didn't take the rematch for a reason. By that stage of his career he was an old fighter and its very possible he would get out worked again, his energy levels weren't great around those times even when he was prepared.
Vitali put the kind of pressure on that Lewis he found very uncomfortable with. Credit to Lennox for getting the result after a pretty bad beating but i do believe he didnt take the rematch because he knew it was very possible he could lose, I dont blame him personally. You could say he had nothing to prove but if he was confident he would have just taken the fight to shut everyone up, it was a fight left to debate.....

 

It's like Wlad now. I still think he's got a more than fair chance of beating Joshua in a rematch but he's old and don't want to go through all the hard training and still be at a risk of losing. Lewis didn't lose the fight with Vitali but he knew that he would have had to train harder than he had for years to win the rematch which wouldn't have been easy at his age and seeing how well Vitali had unexpectedly done against him, probably didn't want to take the risk.

 

Quitter? Vitali didn't want to quit. The fight footage shows him clearly insisting on continuing and objecting about the stoppage. Also, how could Lennox appear to leave like a whipped feline when he won the match?

 

McVey was referring to the Byrd fight.

I was referring to the sport of boxing as a whole.

To restate what I said already: before the Vitali fight, Lewis was clearly stating that he felt better than ever, that he was going to be around for a while. He had plans. He wanted to fight Vitali, rematch Tyson and take out Wlad. AFTER the Vitali fight, he decided to retire, despite promising a rematch.

Clearly, the fight with Vitali had changed his mind in some way.

To my mind, he knew that he would lose a rematch (or, at the very least, it would be a very difficult fight, and he wasn't motivated enough to gear up for it) and so decided to call it quits.

Other people that are saying how easily he'd beat Vitali in a rematch have the small problem of explaining why he never took this supposed cakewalk. If the fight would have been so easy, then why not cave Vits' head in and do all the things he said he was going to do? Why stain his whole legacy by blatantly ducking the rematch and running for the hills?

Simple answer.

The rematch would have been anything but easy, and for whatever reason, Lewis didn't feel up to the task.

 

If Lewis's additional weight was "planned to deal with Vits size" then he must have put it on very quickly because until two weeks previously he had been expecting to fight Kirk Johnson.

 

No bias in you is there

 

I'm a Vitali fan, it's no secret.

I just think it would have been fair to rematch, that's all.

 

If Lewis no longer had it he no longer had it. He was well past it tho still a reasonable fighter. Perhaps the Vitali match showed him it was time to move on who knows. He didn't owe anybody a thing and got out at exactly the right time with one of the better retirements in heavyweight history. Make that boxing history.

 

He left the sport having beaten and stopped a ranked contender.

 

Did Vitali rematch Chisora or Byrd?

 

He quit against Byrd end of.